Covid vaccines: risk vs benefit alarming news

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by GordMay

“Dismantling the anti-vaxx industry” ~ by Imran Ahmed
Investigations show that those spreading misinformation that undermines the roll-out of vaccines against COVID-19 are well financed, determined and disciplined, notes Imran Ahmed, who heads the Center for Countering Digital Hate in Washington DC. To counter their activities, he argues, we need to understand them as an industry actively working to sow doubts about the deadliness of COVID-19, vaccines, and medical professionals’ integrity.
More ➥ https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...39254-45020405

An opinion piece in a somehow respected science journal advocating censorship.

The simplest solution to this is for social-media companies to remove the anti-vaxx misinformation superspreaders

The problem is, RFK jr is not spreading misinformation,(most of his data comes from the CDC and respected medical journals, has his own platform (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/), and his own legal defense team. The only way to shut him up is what they did to his father and his uncle.

Who wants to side with that kind of tyranny? Gordo, by posting this, you left the door wide open for me to post that link. I would rather talk about boats. You guys leave me no choice. Maybe I will just resign from this forum, you want to talk about an echo chamber........?

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

Vaccinated people are the same [threat] to others than not vaccinated.

Wrong. But that's nothing unusual.

[Boatyarddog]

Originally Posted by UFO

Amen to that, if it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger as they say.



When we were kids no one thought anything of getting Measles, Mumps, Rubella, German Measles, Chicken Pox and so on - I've had em all along with my siblings and my children - Its just that for decades they have been running a massive fear & propaganda campaign, putting the fear of death (literally) into parents of young children, but I suppose that is capitalism for you.

Born in 1958, got vaccines in elementary schools gor the diseases you mentioned, SO, HORSEHOCKEY on your statrment that no one thought about it.
Ignorance is bliss right.
No respect for those that think only of themselves.
Shamefull!!

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Anyone needing an incentive to be vaccinated?

There's an incentive I could get behind .

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

There's an incentive I could get behind .

And the first glass with the vaccine is free.

And do note that it requires a two doses to become fully vaccinated, so back to the pub for another free on the house in a month.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Wrong. But that's nothing unusual.

You were saying.???

Experts say people can still spread and even develop COVID-19 after getting a vaccine.
They note the immunity from the vaccine doesn’t begin to emerge until at least 12 days after inoculation.
They add the vaccine doesn’t prevent coronavirus infection. It helps protect against serious illnesses.
Experts advise people who get vaccinated to continue wearing a mask, washing their hands, and maintaining proper physical distancing.

[UFO]

Originally Posted by Boatyarddog

Born in 1958, got vaccines in elementary schools gor the diseases you mentioned, SO, HORSEHOCKEY on your statrment that no one thought about it.
Ignorance is bliss right.
No respect for those that think only of themselves.
Shamefull!!

I was there and had them all along with all the other illnesses - Siblings and Friends and my children have been the same and simply it was nothing - Bit crook for a few days and then move on. It was so common that it was normal, hence the statement no one thought about it.



Yes Ignorance is bliss - You said it.


I am happy for anyone to take a vaccine and I am not against vaccinations, which most people who you so colloquially term Anti-Vaxxers are the same and are simply Pro-Choice and Anti-Nothing - Its a derogatory term with negative connotations created to push an agenda.



Its hilarious that you you try and shame people and accuse them of being selfish - You really need to stop discriminating against people on medical grounds, which in most places is actually illegal.


Perhaps you should do some real research and not just listen to this online echo chamber and propaganda that is spewed out by the media, corporations and organisations. There is a reason VAERS in the USA has paid out $4.5 billion dollars in vaccine damage compensation and that is just the tip of the iceberg.


You should find and talk to some of the people that have had severe reactions and permanent damage or death of their children from vaccinations and then see how you feel about enforcing or coercing people into taking a medical procedure they do not want to take, which can for some be deadly - Whatever happened to Freedom of choice?


As far as covid goes, they are saying that the vaccine is 100% effective against serious illness, Hospitailisation and death - So what is your problem? Get jabbed Be happy. It is us who should be afraid of the vaccinated, as now you are even more likely to be an asymptomatic carrier.



Why would you want people who are not in the at risk category, especially children to take a vaccine which carries an inherent risk to a small minority if they do not need to and you are protected by the vaccine? What is wrong with letting people acquire natural immunity?

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by UFO

Amen to that, if it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger as they say.



When we were kids no one thought anything of getting Measles, Mumps, Rubella, German Measles, Chicken Pox and so on - I've had em all along with my siblings and my children - Its just that for decades they have been running a massive fear & propaganda campaign, putting the fear of death (literally) into parents of young children, but I suppose that is capitalism for you.

Let's evaluate the truth and the reality of each disease, because as children one would have been too young to know the causes and implications and as adults one may just be very ignorant, or mislead or mistaken in their knowledge. And hopefully this information sharing will diminish any cavalier attitudes, and callous behavior regarding such high contagious and dangerous diseases and also instill the motivation for everyone to be routinely vaccinated for such and to also teach others about the implications of these diseases and the need to be vaccinated to protect others:

Measles:

Measles can be especially hazardous for those who are or may become pregnant. Pregnant women who get measles may experience more frequent or severe complications from the virus, including pneumonia and death, compared to non-pregnant women. Measles infection during pregnancy also may cause expectant mothers to have miscarriages, give birth prematurely, or deliver low-birth-weight babies.

A pregnant woman who gets measles can transmit the infection to her fetus if she has the virus within about 10 days of delivery. In addition to premature birth and low birth weight, measles can lead to other complications and death among infants born with the virus or infected shortly after birth. Measles may be especially severe among such infants.

Infected partners and other contacts of susceptible, pregnant women can also easily spread measles to them.

Because of the risk of adverse health effects associated with measles infection during pregnancy, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that anyone without immunity get the MMR vaccine at least one month before becoming pregnant. The MMR vaccine may cause complications if administered during pregnancy.

The measles vaccine is effective at preventing the disease, is exceptionally safe, and is often delivered in combination with other vaccines. Vaccination resulted in an 80% decrease in deaths from measles between 2000 and 2017, with about 85% of children worldwide having received their first dose as of 2017. Measles affects about 20 million people a year, primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia. It is one of the leading vaccine-preventable disease causes of death. In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it, and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000. Despite these trends, rates of disease and deaths increased from 2017 to 2019 due to a decrease in immunization.

Mumps:

Mumps historically has been a highly prevalent disease, commonly occurring in outbreaks in densely crowded spaces. In the absence of vaccination, infection normally occurs in childhood, most frequently at the ages of 5–9. Symptoms and complications are more common in males and more severe in adolescents and adults. Infection is most common in winter and spring in temperate climates, whereas no seasonality is observed in tropical regions. Written accounts of mumps have existed since ancient times, and the cause of mumps, the mumps virus, was discovered in 1934. By the 1970s, vaccines had been created to protect against infection, and countries that have adopted mumps vaccination have seen a near-elimination of the disease. In the 21st century, however, there has been a resurgence in the number of cases in many countries that vaccinate, primarily among adolescents and young adults, due to multiple factors such as waning vaccine immunity and opposition to vaccination.

Complications include deafness and a wide range of inflammatory conditions, of which inflammation of the testes, breasts, ovaries, pancreas, meninges, and brain are the most common. Testicular inflammation may result in reduced fertility and, rarely, sterility. A relatively common complication is deafness, which occurs in about 4% of cases. Mumps deafness is often accompanied by vestibular symptoms such as vertigo and repetitive, uncontrolled eye movements. Based on electrocardiographic abnormalities in the infected, MuV also likely infects cardiac tissue, but this is usually asymptomatic. Rarely, myocarditis and pericarditis can occur. Fluid buildup in the brain, called hydrocephalus, has also been observed. In the first trimester of pregnancy, mumps may increase the risk of miscarriage.

Rubella a.k.a. German Measles

Rubella, also known as German measles or three-day measles, is an infection caused by the rubella virus. This disease is often mild with half of people not realizing that they are infected. A rash may start around two weeks after exposure and last for three days. It usually starts on the face and spreads to the rest of the body. The rash is sometimes itchy and is not as bright as that of measles. Swollen lymph nodes are common and may last a few weeks. A fever, sore throat, and fatigue may also occur. Joint pain is common in adults. Complications may include bleeding problems, testicular swelling, encephalitis, and inflammation of nerves. Infection during early pregnancy may result in a miscarriage or a child born with congenital rubella syndrome (CRS). Symptoms of CRS manifest as problems with the eyes such as cataracts, deafness, as well as affecting the heart and brain. Problems are rare after the 20th week of pregnancy. Rubella is a common infection in many areas of the world. Each year about 100,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome occur. Rates of disease have decreased in many areas as a result of vaccination. There are ongoing efforts to eliminate the disease globally. In April 2015 the World Health Organization declared the Americas free of rubella transmission.


Chicken Pox

Chickenpox, also known as varicella, is a highly contagious disease caused by the initial infection with varicella zoster virus (VZV). The disease results in a characteristic skin rash that forms small, itchy blisters, which eventually scab over. It usually starts on the chest, back, and face. It then spreads to the rest of the body. Other symptoms may include fever, tiredness, and headaches. Symptoms usually last five to seven days. Complications may occasionally include pneumonia, inflammation of the brain, and bacterial skin infections. The disease is often more severe in adults than in children. The incubation period is 10–21 days, 14–16 days, after which, a characteristic rash appears.

Chickenpox occurs in all parts of the world. In 2013 there were 140 million cases of chickenpox and shingles worldwide. Before routine immunization the number of cases occurring each year was similar to the number of people born. Since immunization the number of infections in the United States has decreased nearly 90%. In 2015 chickenpox resulted in 6,400 deaths globally – down from 8,900 in 1990. Death occurs in about 1 per 60,000 cases. Chickenpox was not separated from smallpox until the late 19th century. In 1888 its connection to shingles was determined.

Pregnancy and neonates

During pregnancy the dangers to the fetus associated with a primary VZV infection are greater in the first six months. In the third trimester, the mother is more likely to have severe symptoms. For pregnant women, antibodies produced as a result of immunization or previous infection are transferred via the placenta to the fetus. Varicella infection in pregnant women could lead to spread via the placenta and infection of the fetus. If infection occurs during the first 28 weeks of gestation, this can lead to fetal varicella syndrome (also known as congenital varicella syndrome). Effects on the fetus can range in severity from underdeveloped toes and fingers to severe anal and bladder malformation. Possible problems include:

Damage to brain: encephalitis, microcephaly, hydrocephaly, aplasia of brain

Damage to the eye: optic stalk, optic cup, and lens vesicles, microphthalmia, cataracts, chorioretinitis, optic atrophy

Other neurological disorder: damage to cervical and lumbosacral spinal cord, motor/sensory deficits, absent deep tendon reflexes, anisocoria/Horner's syndrome

Damage to body: hypoplasia of upper/lower extremities, anal and bladder sphincter dysfunction

Skin disorders: (cicatricial) skin lesions, hypopigmentation

Infection late in gestation or immediately following birth is referred to as "neonatal varicella". Maternal infection is associated with premature delivery. The risk of the baby developing the disease is greatest following exposure to infection in the period 7 days before delivery and up to 8 days following the birth. The baby may also be exposed to the virus via infectious siblings or other contacts, but this is of less concern if the mother is immune. Newborns who develop symptoms are at a high risk of pneumonia and other serious complications of the disease.

So now you know. So now please don't act ignorant or cavalier or callous!

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by Montanan

The scary thing is the very large portion of the population that are gullible enough to actually believe such and to actively spread such insanities.



It is mind boggling how pervasive such has become.

Yes, a significant percentage of the USA population thrives on this rubbish. It is almost exclusively an American thing, like mass shootings.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Let's evaluate the truth and the reality of each disease, because as children one would have been too young to know the causes and implications and as adults one may just be very ignorant, or mislead or mistaken in their knowledge. And hopefully this information sharing will diminish any cavalier attitudes, and callous behavior regarding such high contagious and dangerous diseases and also instill the motivation for everyone to be routinely vaccinated for such and to also teach others about the implications of these diseases and the need to be vaccinated to protect others:

Measles:

Measles can be especially hazardous for those who are or may become pregnant. Pregnant women who get measles may experience more frequent or severe complications from the virus, including pneumonia and death, compared to non-pregnant women. Measles infection during pregnancy also may cause expectant mothers to have miscarriages, give birth prematurely, or deliver low-birth-weight babies.

A pregnant woman who gets measles can transmit the infection to her fetus if she has the virus within about 10 days of delivery. In addition to premature birth and low birth weight, measles can lead to other complications and death among infants born with the virus or infected shortly after birth. Measles may be especially severe among such infants.

Infected partners and other contacts of susceptible, pregnant women can also easily spread measles to them.

Because of the risk of adverse health effects associated with measles infection during pregnancy, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that anyone without immunity get the MMR vaccine at least one month before becoming pregnant. The MMR vaccine may cause complications if administered during pregnancy.

The measles vaccine is effective at preventing the disease, is exceptionally safe, and is often delivered in combination with other vaccines. Vaccination resulted in an 80% decrease in deaths from measles between 2000 and 2017, with about 85% of children worldwide having received their first dose as of 2017. Measles affects about 20 million people a year, primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia. It is one of the leading vaccine-preventable disease causes of death. In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it, and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000. Despite these trends, rates of disease and deaths increased from 2017 to 2019 due to a decrease in immunization.

Mumps:

Mumps historically has been a highly prevalent disease, commonly occurring in outbreaks in densely crowded spaces. In the absence of vaccination, infection normally occurs in childhood, most frequently at the ages of 5–9. Symptoms and complications are more common in males and more severe in adolescents and adults. Infection is most common in winter and spring in temperate climates, whereas no seasonality is observed in tropical regions. Written accounts of mumps have existed since ancient times, and the cause of mumps, the mumps virus, was discovered in 1934. By the 1970s, vaccines had been created to protect against infection, and countries that have adopted mumps vaccination have seen a near-elimination of the disease. In the 21st century, however, there has been a resurgence in the number of cases in many countries that vaccinate, primarily among adolescents and young adults, due to multiple factors such as waning vaccine immunity and opposition to vaccination.

Complications include deafness and a wide range of inflammatory conditions, of which inflammation of the testes, breasts, ovaries, pancreas, meninges, and brain are the most common. Testicular inflammation may result in reduced fertility and, rarely, sterility. A relatively common complication is deafness, which occurs in about 4% of cases. Mumps deafness is often accompanied by vestibular symptoms such as vertigo and repetitive, uncontrolled eye movements. Based on electrocardiographic abnormalities in the infected, MuV also likely infects cardiac tissue, but this is usually asymptomatic. Rarely, myocarditis and pericarditis can occur. Fluid buildup in the brain, called hydrocephalus, has also been observed. In the first trimester of pregnancy, mumps may increase the risk of miscarriage.

Rubella a.k.a. German Measles

Rubella, also known as German measles or three-day measles, is an infection caused by the rubella virus. This disease is often mild with half of people not realizing that they are infected. A rash may start around two weeks after exposure and last for three days. It usually starts on the face and spreads to the rest of the body. The rash is sometimes itchy and is not as bright as that of measles. Swollen lymph nodes are common and may last a few weeks. A fever, sore throat, and fatigue may also occur. Joint pain is common in adults. Complications may include bleeding problems, testicular swelling, encephalitis, and inflammation of nerves. Infection during early pregnancy may result in a miscarriage or a child born with congenital rubella syndrome (CRS). Symptoms of CRS manifest as problems with the eyes such as cataracts, deafness, as well as affecting the heart and brain. Problems are rare after the 20th week of pregnancy. Rubella is a common infection in many areas of the world. Each year about 100,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome occur. Rates of disease have decreased in many areas as a result of vaccination. There are ongoing efforts to eliminate the disease globally. In April 2015 the World Health Organization declared the Americas free of rubella transmission.


Chicken Pox

Chickenpox, also known as varicella, is a highly contagious disease caused by the initial infection with varicella zoster virus (VZV). The disease results in a characteristic skin rash that forms small, itchy blisters, which eventually scab over. It usually starts on the chest, back, and face. It then spreads to the rest of the body. Other symptoms may include fever, tiredness, and headaches. Symptoms usually last five to seven days. Complications may occasionally include pneumonia, inflammation of the brain, and bacterial skin infections. The disease is often more severe in adults than in children. The incubation period is 10–21 days, 14–16 days, after which, a characteristic rash appears.

Chickenpox occurs in all parts of the world. In 2013 there were 140 million cases of chickenpox and shingles worldwide. Before routine immunization the number of cases occurring each year was similar to the number of people born. Since immunization the number of infections in the United States has decreased nearly 90%. In 2015 chickenpox resulted in 6,400 deaths globally – down from 8,900 in 1990. Death occurs in about 1 per 60,000 cases. Chickenpox was not separated from smallpox until the late 19th century. In 1888 its connection to shingles was determined.

Pregnancy and neonates

During pregnancy the dangers to the fetus associated with a primary VZV infection are greater in the first six months. In the third trimester, the mother is more likely to have severe symptoms. For pregnant women, antibodies produced as a result of immunization or previous infection are transferred via the placenta to the fetus. Varicella infection in pregnant women could lead to spread via the placenta and infection of the fetus. If infection occurs during the first 28 weeks of gestation, this can lead to fetal varicella syndrome (also known as congenital varicella syndrome). Effects on the fetus can range in severity from underdeveloped toes and fingers to severe anal and bladder malformation. Possible problems include:

Damage to brain: encephalitis, microcephaly, hydrocephaly, aplasia of brain

Damage to the eye: optic stalk, optic cup, and lens vesicles, microphthalmia, cataracts, chorioretinitis, optic atrophy

Other neurological disorder: damage to cervical and lumbosacral spinal cord, motor/sensory deficits, absent deep tendon reflexes, anisocoria/Horner's syndrome

Damage to body: hypoplasia of upper/lower extremities, anal and bladder sphincter dysfunction

Skin disorders: (cicatricial) skin lesions, hypopigmentation

Infection late in gestation or immediately following birth is referred to as "neonatal varicella". Maternal infection is associated with premature delivery. The risk of the baby developing the disease is greatest following exposure to infection in the period 7 days before delivery and up to 8 days following the birth. The baby may also be exposed to the virus via infectious siblings or other contacts, but this is of less concern if the mother is immune. Newborns who develop symptoms are at a high risk of pneumonia and other serious complications of the disease.

So now you know. So now please don't act ignorant or cavalier or callous!

Wow.. That sounds like one of those drug adverts that run on American TV as a middle aged couple cavort and ride bicycles in the countryside..

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Wow.. That sounds like one of those drug adverts that run on American TV as a middle aged couple cavort and ride bicycles in the countryside..

Oh, I so needed that chuckle. Laughter is the best medicine.

The end of the American pharmaceutical advertisements always end with a long list of all the possible side effects, the cure sounds worse than the disease.

Like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siMPY5FjlaY&t=37s

[Montanan]

These pharmaceutical ads are enjoyable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-LGbOH3XI

[boatman61]

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Let's evaluate the truth and the reality of each disease, because as children one would have been too young to know the causes and implications and as adults one may just be very ignorant, or mislead or mistaken in their knowledge. And hopefully this information sharing will diminish any cavalier attitudes, and callous behavior regarding such high contagious and dangerous diseases and also instill the motivation for everyone to be routinely vaccinated for such and to also teach others about the implications of these diseases and the need to be vaccinated to protect others:

Measles:

Measles can be especially hazardous for those who are or may become pregnant. Pregnant women who get measles may experience more frequent or severe complications from the virus, including pneumonia and death, compared to non-pregnant women. Measles infection during pregnancy also may cause expectant mothers to have miscarriages, give birth prematurely, or deliver low-birth-weight babies.

A pregnant woman who gets measles can transmit the infection to her fetus if she has the virus within about 10 days of delivery. In addition to premature birth and low birth weight, measles can lead to other complications and death among infants born with the virus or infected shortly after birth. Measles may be especially severe among such infants.

Infected partners and other contacts of susceptible, pregnant women can also easily spread measles to them.

Because of the risk of adverse health effects associated with measles infection during pregnancy, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that anyone without immunity get the MMR vaccine at least one month before becoming pregnant. The MMR vaccine may cause complications if administered during pregnancy.

The measles vaccine is effective at preventing the disease, is exceptionally safe, and is often delivered in combination with other vaccines. Vaccination resulted in an 80% decrease in deaths from measles between 2000 and 2017, with about 85% of children worldwide having received their first dose as of 2017. Measles affects about 20 million people a year, primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia. It is one of the leading vaccine-preventable disease causes of death. In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it, and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000. Despite these trends, rates of disease and deaths increased from 2017 to 2019 due to a decrease in immunization.

Mumps:

Mumps historically has been a highly prevalent disease, commonly occurring in outbreaks in densely crowded spaces. In the absence of vaccination, infection normally occurs in childhood, most frequently at the ages of 5–9. Symptoms and complications are more common in males and more severe in adolescents and adults. Infection is most common in winter and spring in temperate climates, whereas no seasonality is observed in tropical regions. Written accounts of mumps have existed since ancient times, and the cause of mumps, the mumps virus, was discovered in 1934. By the 1970s, vaccines had been created to protect against infection, and countries that have adopted mumps vaccination have seen a near-elimination of the disease. In the 21st century, however, there has been a resurgence in the number of cases in many countries that vaccinate, primarily among adolescents and young adults, due to multiple factors such as waning vaccine immunity and opposition to vaccination.

Complications include deafness and a wide range of inflammatory conditions, of which inflammation of the testes, breasts, ovaries, pancreas, meninges, and brain are the most common. Testicular inflammation may result in reduced fertility and, rarely, sterility. A relatively common complication is deafness, which occurs in about 4% of cases. Mumps deafness is often accompanied by vestibular symptoms such as vertigo and repetitive, uncontrolled eye movements. Based on electrocardiographic abnormalities in the infected, MuV also likely infects cardiac tissue, but this is usually asymptomatic. Rarely, myocarditis and pericarditis can occur. Fluid buildup in the brain, called hydrocephalus, has also been observed. In the first trimester of pregnancy, mumps may increase the risk of miscarriage.

Rubella a.k.a. German Measles

Rubella, also known as German measles or three-day measles, is an infection caused by the rubella virus. This disease is often mild with half of people not realizing that they are infected. A rash may start around two weeks after exposure and last for three days. It usually starts on the face and spreads to the rest of the body. The rash is sometimes itchy and is not as bright as that of measles. Swollen lymph nodes are common and may last a few weeks. A fever, sore throat, and fatigue may also occur. Joint pain is common in adults. Complications may include bleeding problems, testicular swelling, encephalitis, and inflammation of nerves. Infection during early pregnancy may result in a miscarriage or a child born with congenital rubella syndrome (CRS). Symptoms of CRS manifest as problems with the eyes such as cataracts, deafness, as well as affecting the heart and brain. Problems are rare after the 20th week of pregnancy. Rubella is a common infection in many areas of the world. Each year about 100,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome occur. Rates of disease have decreased in many areas as a result of vaccination. There are ongoing efforts to eliminate the disease globally. In April 2015 the World Health Organization declared the Americas free of rubella transmission.


Chicken Pox

Chickenpox, also known as varicella, is a highly contagious disease caused by the initial infection with varicella zoster virus (VZV). The disease results in a characteristic skin rash that forms small, itchy blisters, which eventually scab over. It usually starts on the chest, back, and face. It then spreads to the rest of the body. Other symptoms may include fever, tiredness, and headaches. Symptoms usually last five to seven days. Complications may occasionally include pneumonia, inflammation of the brain, and bacterial skin infections. The disease is often more severe in adults than in children. The incubation period is 10–21 days, 14–16 days, after which, a characteristic rash appears.

Chickenpox occurs in all parts of the world. In 2013 there were 140 million cases of chickenpox and shingles worldwide. Before routine immunization the number of cases occurring each year was similar to the number of people born. Since immunization the number of infections in the United States has decreased nearly 90%. In 2015 chickenpox resulted in 6,400 deaths globally – down from 8,900 in 1990. Death occurs in about 1 per 60,000 cases. Chickenpox was not separated from smallpox until the late 19th century. In 1888 its connection to shingles was determined.

Pregnancy and neonates

During pregnancy the dangers to the fetus associated with a primary VZV infection are greater in the first six months. In the third trimester, the mother is more likely to have severe symptoms. For pregnant women, antibodies produced as a result of immunization or previous infection are transferred via the placenta to the fetus. Varicella infection in pregnant women could lead to spread via the placenta and infection of the fetus. If infection occurs during the first 28 weeks of gestation, this can lead to fetal varicella syndrome (also known as congenital varicella syndrome). Effects on the fetus can range in severity from underdeveloped toes and fingers to severe anal and bladder malformation. Possible problems include:

Damage to brain: encephalitis, microcephaly, hydrocephaly, aplasia of brain

Damage to the eye: optic stalk, optic cup, and lens vesicles, microphthalmia, cataracts, chorioretinitis, optic atrophy

Other neurological disorder: damage to cervical and lumbosacral spinal cord, motor/sensory deficits, absent deep tendon reflexes, anisocoria/Horner's syndrome

Damage to body: hypoplasia of upper/lower extremities, anal and bladder sphincter dysfunction

Skin disorders: (cicatricial) skin lesions, hypopigmentation

Infection late in gestation or immediately following birth is referred to as "neonatal varicella". Maternal infection is associated with premature delivery. The risk of the baby developing the disease is greatest following exposure to infection in the period 7 days before delivery and up to 8 days following the birth. The baby may also be exposed to the virus via infectious siblings or other contacts, but this is of less concern if the mother is immune. Newborns who develop symptoms are at a high risk of pneumonia and other serious complications of the disease.

So now you know. So now please don't act ignorant or cavalier or callous!

Are we still discussing Covid19 vaccines or vaccines in general? Some are good, and some not so much. You don't get them all if you don't need to. Like yellow fever. If you are not exposed to it, you don't get it, because it is a risky one. There are more of them. Hepatitis, Malaria... The list is long.

Influenza is also offered yearly but not mandatory, Tamiflu was very questionable with a big marketing and 20% efficiency ...

But this all are conventional vaccines, not gen engineered ones.

What we see is the biggest GEN experiment on humans - unbelievable! This is not a normal vaccine like yellow fever or cholera where you use the original virus. This is a new biotechnology with man made DNA, manipulated a different disease, enreaching it with parts of the C19 proteins and making it contagious to be efficient. This is like Frankenstein lab for messing around with a Virus Lego box and injecting it into the masses. The mRNA isn't any better, you don't inject the living virus, instead just his "eggs" - the mRNA is the part, how a virus attacs the cell by a DNA copy to force her to reproduce his own code, because a virus does not have cell structure itself. We don't know what the mRNA exactly may produce in our cells and if our immune system will kill the infected cells or not afterwards, so it may induce cancer.

This has not been done with any other vaccine in the past - besides of some smaller experiments with HIV.

You never know how this will affect our immune system, reproduction system and health in the long run. And all this because of a flu, that most people can cope with quite well - as we see from asymptomatic people.

All people that had been positive, are immune already, why do we need to force them take the jabs? The vaccines are the bigger evil than the disease for 90% of the population, that would easily survive an infection.

Give the jab to everyone that wants it or really needs it because of preconditions and leave the others alone.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by boatman61

You were saying.???

Experts say people can still spread and even develop COVID-19 after getting a vaccine.
They note the immunity from the vaccine doesn’t begin to emerge until at least 12 days after inoculation.
They add the vaccine doesn’t prevent coronavirus infection. It helps protect against serious illnesses.
Experts advise people who get vaccinated to continue wearing a mask, washing their hands, and maintaining proper physical distancing.

The claim was:

Vaccinated people are the same [threat] to others than not vaccinated.

... and I replied that the claim was wrong,and included a link which stated that it's widely believed by experts that vaccinated people, if later infected, will not be as effective at spreading COVID (aka less of an infection threat) as the unvaccinated. I didn't say that vaccines prevented any infection or that vaccination prevents transmission.

It's kind of logical to me that if vaccination reduces both the likelihood of COVID infection, and the severity of the infection, then the person will be outputting less virus, and for a shorter length of time.

So, yes I was saying. Hope that made it clearer.