Covid vaccines: risk vs benefit alarming news

[jtsailjt]

Originally Posted by CarlF

The reason will be money. Unvaccinated people are an added expense for a business or government to manage. Taxpayers and insurance companies are not going to want to keep picking up the tab to repeatedly test the few people who don't want to be vaccinated

It's likely that testing will soon confirm that vaccinated people hardly ever are infected by Covid. The same is not true of testing which has quite a large false negative rate.

At that point, testing will no longer be considered "good enough". And governments will not be interested in the logistics and cost of testing and quarantining when it's simpler and cheaper to just require a vaccine.

Of course, some people will still argue this isn't fair - but the world won't be listening.

I think that’s a pretty likely scenario and the self interest of anti vaxxers who want to join everyone else in enjoying a normal life will have them getting a jab too, eventually.

But lots of misinformation and conspiracy theories and mistrust of governments and big corporations who make the vaccinations are circulating right now, and some folks seem pretty insecure about the possibility that someone might consider them a sheep. But when it comes right down to it, I’m pretty confident that they’ll eventually join the rest of us in getting vaccinated and a year from now this will all be behind us.

[Gadagirl]

I'm gratefully rolling up my shirt sleave tomorrow for my first jab. I'm not at all afraid. I've read up on efficacy and side effects. My motivation is not the ability to spend or produce (work). I just can't wait to spend time with my granddaughter. Visiting with my friends again. If there's a large population that choose not to vacinate and we (those that choose to vaccinate) end up having to be jabbed 1-2x a year for boosters? Well so be be it. I'm also not afraid of tbe yearly flu vacine. Or any other vaccine for that matter. There are so many other worse things that we are exposed to environmentally that I'd expect equal uproar about, but crickets to those?

As they say, "you do you."

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Mind you.. I did say a while back I am not opposed to being vaccinated perse.. just have no desire for the Bill Gates concoction..
It would be the Oxford jab..
BUY BRITISH..

What "Bill Gates concotion" are you referring to?

FYI:

https://nationaldailyng.com/who-appr...say-no-thanks/

The AstraZeneca vaccine will reach the masses through a program called “COVAX,” a mechanism for procurement and distribution of vaccines. COVAX was founded by Bill Gates and is co-led by the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) set up in 1999 with seed money from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Since 1999, the foundation has committed more $4 billion to GAVI and has a permanent seat on the board.

Gates’ foundation also co-founded the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness and Innovations (CEPI) launched in 2017 to develop vaccines to stop future epidemics and is a major donor to WHO second only to the U.S.

Gates funded the manufacturing and distribution of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine through GAVI and CEPI, provided millions to the Serum Institute of India to manufacture the vaccine, and is funding the “safety and efficacy” studies of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine in Brazil and South Africa. Without the funding for the clinical trials there would be no AstraZeneca vaccine. Although data from these studies have yet to be released, it forms the basis of Gates’ most recent warning that a “third dose of the vaccine,” boosters, or a “tuned vaccine” may be needed to combat coronavirus variants. According to GAVI, the Gates Foundation plays a key financial and technical role in shaping vaccine markets, while providing the data and financial support for market investments. The AstraZeneca vaccine forms the bulk of the stockpile already acquired by Gates’ COVAX.
To date the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation have committed over $420 million to develop and deliver affordable vaccines to low- and middle-income countries.

A recent promised $70 million, $50 million will go to the Covax Advance Market Committee of Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance; the committee is a financing mechanism through which Gavi works to secure equitable access to Covid-19 vaccines for 92 low- and middle-income countries. The donation will unlock an additional $16 million from the U.K. government, part of a commitment the country made to match some donations to the committee.

In 2020, the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation committed $1.5 billion over five years to fund GAVI for use in delivering a wide spectrum of childhood vaccines [non-COVID-19 related] in low and middle income countries as part of their more than a decade engagement in supporting GAVI.

Until Trump pulled the plug on the WHO, the U.S. government and the Gates Foundation had each been slated to contribute about 9% of the overall WHO budget for 2021-21 in voluntary funding, according to publicly available data, more than $400 million each for a total biennial budget of about $5.5 billion.
The Gates Foundation has been a key donor to the WHO over the past decade, accounting for as much as 13% of the group's budget for the 2016-17 period. In February 2020, the foundation pledged an additional $100 million to fight the coronavirus pandemic, and it upped that to $250 million in April 2020 after an order from Trump brought U.S. government funding to a halt.

Maybe you might desire the vaccine that comes with the microchips. FYI: Microsoft is a software company, they don't make microchips, so could not be involved in placing hardware into vaccines.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by CarlF

The reason will be money. Unvaccinated people are an added expense for a business or government to manage. Taxpayers and insurance companies are not going to want to keep picking up the tab to repeatedly test the few people who don't want to be vaccinated

It's likely that testing will soon confirm that vaccinated people hardly ever are infected by Covid. The same is not true of testing which has quite a large false negative rate.

At that point, testing will no longer be considered "good enough". And governments will not be interested in the logistics and cost of testing and quarantining when it's simpler and cheaper to just require a vaccine.

Of course, some people will still argue this isn't fair - but the world won't be listening.

Maybe, this world will cease to exist after mass vaccination and another incident, a lot of zombies and a few survivers without a vaccine, who knows...

[Boatyarddog]

Originally Posted by Montanan

What "Bill Gates concotion" are you referring to?

FYI:

The AstraZeneca vaccine will reach the masses through a program called “COVAX,” a mechanism for procurement and distribution of vaccines. COVAX was founded by Bill Gates and is co-led by the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) set up in 1999 with seed money from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Since 1999, the foundation has committed more $4 billion to GAVI and has a permanent seat on the board.

Gates’ foundation also co-founded the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness and Innovations (CEPI) launched in 2017 to develop vaccines to stop future epidemics and is a major donor to WHO second only to the U.S.

Gates funded the manufacturing and distribution of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine through GAVI and CEPI, provided millions to the Serum Institute of India to manufacture the vaccine, and is funding the “safety and efficacy” studies of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine in Brazil and South Africa. Although data from these studies have yet to be released, it forms the basis of Gates’ most recent warning that a “third dose of the vaccine,” boosters, or a “tuned vaccine” may be needed to combat coronavirus variants. According to GAVI, the Gates Foundation plays a key financial and technical role in shaping vaccine markets, while providing the data and financial support for market investments. The AstraZeneca vaccine forms the bulk of the stockpile already acquired by Gates’ COVAX.
To date the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation have committed over $420 million to develop and deliver affordable vaccines to low- and middle-income countries.

A recent promised $70 million, $50 million will go to the Covax Advance Market Committee of Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance; the committee is a financing mechanism through which Gavi works to secure equitable access to Covid-19 vaccines for 92 low- and middle-income countries. The donation will unlock an additional $16 million from the U.K. government, part of a commitment the country made to match some donations to the committee.

In 2020, the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation committed $1.5 billion over five years to fund GAVI for use in delivering a wide spectrum of childhood vaccines [non-COVID-19 related] in low and middle income countries as part of their more than a decade engagement in supporting GAVI.

Until Trump pulled the plug on the WHO, the U.S. government and the Gates Foundation had each been slated to contribute about 9% of the overall WHO budget for 2021-21 in voluntary funding, according to publicly available data, more than $400 million each for a total biennial budget of about $5.5 billion.
The Gates Foundation has been a key donor to the WHO over the past decade, accounting for as much as 13% of the group's budget for the 2016-17 period. In February 2020, the foundation pledged an additional $100 million to fight the coronavirus pandemic, and it upped that to $250 million in April 2020 after an order from Trump brought U.S. government funding to a halt.

Maybe you might desire the vaccine that comes with the microchips. FYI: Microsoft is a software company, they don't make microchips, so could not be involved in placing hardware into vaccines.

QANON crazies, conspiracy kooks!
Get lives.
SV Cloud Duster

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Montanan

What "Bill Gates concotion" are you referring to?

FYI:

https://nationaldailyng.com/who-appr...say-no-thanks/

The AstraZeneca vaccine will reach the masses through a program called “COVAX,” a mechanism for procurement and distribution of vaccines. COVAX was founded by Bill Gates and is co-led by the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) set up in 1999 with seed money from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Since 1999, the foundation has committed more $4 billion to GAVI and has a permanent seat on the board.

Gates’ foundation also co-founded the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness and Innovations (CEPI) launched in 2017 to develop vaccines to stop future epidemics and is a major donor to WHO second only to the U.S.

Gates funded the manufacturing and distribution of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine through GAVI and CEPI, provided millions to the Serum Institute of India to manufacture the vaccine, and is funding the “safety and efficacy” studies of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine in Brazil and South Africa. Without the funding for the clinical trials there would be no AstraZeneca vaccine. Although data from these studies have yet to be released, it forms the basis of Gates’ most recent warning that a “third dose of the vaccine,” boosters, or a “tuned vaccine” may be needed to combat coronavirus variants. According to GAVI, the Gates Foundation plays a key financial and technical role in shaping vaccine markets, while providing the data and financial support for market investments. The AstraZeneca vaccine forms the bulk of the stockpile already acquired by Gates’ COVAX.
To date the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation have committed over $420 million to develop and deliver affordable vaccines to low- and middle-income countries.

A recent promised $70 million, $50 million will go to the Covax Advance Market Committee of Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance; the committee is a financing mechanism through which Gavi works to secure equitable access to Covid-19 vaccines for 92 low- and middle-income countries. The donation will unlock an additional $16 million from the U.K. government, part of a commitment the country made to match some donations to the committee.

In 2020, the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation committed $1.5 billion over five years to fund GAVI for use in delivering a wide spectrum of childhood vaccines [non-COVID-19 related] in low and middle income countries as part of their more than a decade engagement in supporting GAVI.

Until Trump pulled the plug on the WHO, the U.S. government and the Gates Foundation had each been slated to contribute about 9% of the overall WHO budget for 2021-21 in voluntary funding, according to publicly available data, more than $400 million each for a total biennial budget of about $5.5 billion.
The Gates Foundation has been a key donor to the WHO over the past decade, accounting for as much as 13% of the group's budget for the 2016-17 period. In February 2020, the foundation pledged an additional $100 million to fight the coronavirus pandemic, and it upped that to $250 million in April 2020 after an order from Trump brought U.S. government funding to a halt.

Maybe you might desire the vaccine that comes with the microchips. FYI: Microsoft is a software company, they don't make microchips, so could not be involved in placing hardware into vaccines.

You are right, Microsoft is a poor hardware company, no sucess at all, despite buying the former leader in telecommunication (Nokia). But they do software development and data analysis - genetics is also software, DNA is the harddisk for storage and the RNA is the data in the RAM for processing in the cell core. I don't expect microchips, I would expect amino-acid strings.

You first create the back door, and then use it to your liking, that is how hackers work. With mass-rollouts you create unified interfaces. This is why Microsoft OS were so vulnerable in the past to viruses.

This is of course only a speculation. It may happen not on purpose, but by accident. If you produce an well known unified vector like a spike protein, you can use it as a dock, you have the key to a whole vaccined and conditioned population.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by Boatyarddog

QANON crazies, conspiracy kooks!
Get lives.
SV Cloud Duster

The scary thing is the very large portion of the population that are gullible enough to actually believe such and to actively spread such insanities.

It is mind boggling how pervasive such has become.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

You are right, Microsoft is a poor hardware company, no sucess at all, despite buying the former leader in telecommunication (Nokia). But they do software development and data analysis - genetics is also software, DNA is the harddisk for storage and the RNA is the data in the RAM for processing in the cell core. I don't expect microchips, I would expect amino-acid strings.

You first create the back door, and then use it to your liking, that is how hackers work. With mass-rollouts you create unified interfaces. This is why Microsoft OS were so vulnerable in the past to viruses.

This is of course only a speculation. It may happen not on purpose, but by accident. If you produce an well known unified vector like a spike protein, you can use it as a dock, you have the key to a whole vaccined and conditioned population.

Sounds a lot like your peculiar recent post where in you stated that: One could become infected with the replication-incompetent vector virus that is used in the AstraZeneca vaccine [and similarly in the Jansen vaccine] just by talking to a person that had been vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine.

There be a reason why persons keep calling out your misinformation or falsities.



Add here yet another attempt at pure speculation / misleading / false / fear mongering / QAnon conspiracy theorizing being injected into social media.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Sounds a lot like your peculiar recent post where in you stated that: One could become infected with the replication-incompetent vector virus that is used in the AstraZeneca vaccine [and similarly in the Jansen vaccine] just by talking to a person that had been vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine.

There be a reason why persons keep calling out your misinformation or falsities.



Add here yet another attempt at pure speculation / misleading / false / fear mongering / QAnon conspiracy theorizing being injected into social media.

Extinction of a virus is even higher speculation and much more unlikely, given the fact, that the vaccines ate not 100% efficient.

Save the whales! Extinction Rebellion... But nobody speaks out for the poor virus.... [emoji849] this is racist.

[Gadagirl]

Bwahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha

Do you realize that micro chips are solid objects not lending themselves to liquid injection? Way too large for that? Educate yourself.

[jtsailjt]

Originally Posted by Gadagirl

There are so many other worse things that we are exposed to environmentally that I'd expect equal uproar about, but crickets to those?

As they say, "you do you."

What else do you have in mind that we are randomly exposed to that kills over half a million Americans in a year? Drug/alcohol abuse and obesity kills quite a few, either directly or indirectly, but those are dangers some of us choose to expose ourselves to voluntarily. So what kills more than covid has that there’s no uproar about?

I agree with the concept of “you do you” and wouldn’t want to see forced vaccinations but hope that the vast majority of us consider the possible effect on our neighbor(s) when we make that choice. None of us is an island and it’s foolish to pretend that we are.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

Extinction of a virus is even higher speculation and much more unlikely, given the fact, that the vaccines ate not 100% efficient.

Save the whales! Extinction Rebellion... But nobody speaks out for the poor virus.... [emoji849] this is racist.

Ah, but there is just such an organization, PETV.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Viruses.

The interest in their membership is going viral.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Montanan

What "Bill Gates concotion" are you referring to?

FYI:

https://nationaldailyng.com/who-appr...say-no-thanks/

The AstraZeneca vaccine will reach the masses through a program called “COVAX,” a mechanism for procurement and distribution of vaccines. COVAX was founded by Bill Gates and is co-led by the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) set up in 1999 with seed money from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Since 1999, the foundation has committed more $4 billion to GAVI and has a permanent seat on the board.

Gates’ foundation also co-founded the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness and Innovations (CEPI) launched in 2017 to develop vaccines to stop future epidemics and is a major donor to WHO second only to the U.S.

Gates funded the manufacturing and distribution of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine through GAVI and CEPI, provided millions to the Serum Institute of India to manufacture the vaccine, and is funding the “safety and efficacy” studies of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine in Brazil and South Africa. Without the funding for the clinical trials there would be no AstraZeneca vaccine. Although data from these studies have yet to be released, it forms the basis of Gates’ most recent warning that a “third dose of the vaccine,” boosters, or a “tuned vaccine” may be needed to combat coronavirus variants. According to GAVI, the Gates Foundation plays a key financial and technical role in shaping vaccine markets, while providing the data and financial support for market investments. The AstraZeneca vaccine forms the bulk of the stockpile already acquired by Gates’ COVAX.
To date the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation have committed over $420 million to develop and deliver affordable vaccines to low- and middle-income countries.

A recent promised $70 million, $50 million will go to the Covax Advance Market Committee of Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance; the committee is a financing mechanism through which Gavi works to secure equitable access to Covid-19 vaccines for 92 low- and middle-income countries. The donation will unlock an additional $16 million from the U.K. government, part of a commitment the country made to match some donations to the committee.

In 2020, the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation committed $1.5 billion over five years to fund GAVI for use in delivering a wide spectrum of childhood vaccines [non-COVID-19 related] in low and middle income countries as part of their more than a decade engagement in supporting GAVI.

Until Trump pulled the plug on the WHO, the U.S. government and the Gates Foundation had each been slated to contribute about 9% of the overall WHO budget for 2021-21 in voluntary funding, according to publicly available data, more than $400 million each for a total biennial budget of about $5.5 billion.
The Gates Foundation has been a key donor to the WHO over the past decade, accounting for as much as 13% of the group's budget for the 2016-17 period. In February 2020, the foundation pledged an additional $100 million to fight the coronavirus pandemic, and it upped that to $250 million in April 2020 after an order from Trump brought U.S. government funding to a halt.

Maybe you might desire the vaccine that comes with the microchips. FYI: Microsoft is a software company, they don't make microchips, so could not be involved in placing hardware into vaccines.

Snide Snide Snide..
Some folks just can't take a joke..

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Gadagirl

Bwahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha

Do you realize that micro chips are solid objects not lending themselves to liquid injection? Way too large for that? Educate yourself.

Tell that to Montanan..
Myself I think this would be a likelier candidate..

One application of nanotechnology in medicine currently being developed involves employing nanoparticles to deliver drugs, heat, light or other substances to specific types of cells (such as cancer cells). Particles are engineered so that they are attracted to diseased cells, which allows direct treatment of those cells.

Stand by for another snide rant..

[Gadagirl]

Originally Posted by jtsailjt

What else do you have in mind that we are randomly exposed to that kills over half a million Americans in a year? Drug/alcohol abuse and obesity kills quite a few, either directly or indirectly, but those are dangers some of us choose to expose ourselves to voluntarily. So what kills more than covid has that there’s no uproar about?

I agree with the concept of “you do you” and wouldn’t want to see forced vaccinations but hope that the vast majority of us consider the possible effect on our neighbor(s) when we make that choice. None of us is an island and it’s foolish to pretend that we are.

Hey! I'm with you. I was just trying to make the point that people should be equally worried about what's in their food and water if they want to take a stand against vaccination or being forced to ingest something they might be suspicious of. What about what they willingly or ignorantly digest every day? Right off the grocery shelf? Or worse, in the water they drink. Not much outrage about the amount of pesticides or other chemicals they are exposed to or tbat they ingest. Not fatal in a years time but long term diseases, mentally and physically
that follow them through life. Right? It just comes off as being hypocritical.