Survival challenge

[Mattdewizard]

Originally Posted by Sam Woodbridge

Excuse me everyone….

I think Mattdewizard is now trolling everyone. You know like being a troll. Like harassing people with crazy ideas to get a response.

There has been some good trolls on the forums too!

Mattdewizard Is not the best troll, but me thinks it’s still early and he is probably still sleeping on the west coast some where.

What is the obsession with trolling. I think most my Ideas are pretty down to Earth. Albeit a cruiser may never have a need for emp shielding. God forbid a nuclear war and solar flares are rare.

[JC Reefer]

It’s for sure trolling, but from a harmless kind of troll.

If I were the guy outside then I’d be motivated to tie myself to the vessel or find the outside life raft or bang on the vessel to make some sort of Communication, all in that order. I don’t think I’d care too much about being inside a flipped questionable boat.

All that to say that if I were in the flipped vessel then the guy outside is on his own till conditions change or they make some signal. Without some sign of life the person outside is considered dead.

Not sure trying to drag a dead body through the water, in the dark, during a storm makes sense. I have done caving were you swim through short passes in the dark. No tanks involved and 4 feet feels like 40. No dragging of unconscious people for me.

[goboatingnow]

The reality is a mono hull should right itself if it doesn’t it will likely sink.

Sitting inside passing time is not a good strategy.

[letsgetsailing3]

Just watch "All is lost" and call it a day.

Or maybe "Captain Ron". If anything is going to happen, it's going to happen out there."



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[wholybee]

No question, I would make a plan to get out of the boat. Inside the boat, we don't know how long until it suddenly sinks creating no chance of survival. We don't know if the EPIRB is activated, or if it is still with the boat. We can't use flares, smoke signals, or a handheld VHF. And we don't know how long rescuers will take to come up with a plan to get us out if they show up.

If we have light and they are accessible, close the through hulls. This needs to be done whether we stay in the boat or not. With them open, the boat will sink. With them closed, we can open the companionway, and water won't rush in. Get out of the boat. We can then either stay on the boat on the hull, or get in a liferaft still tethered to the boat. We have the possibility of using flares, smoke, or a handheld VHF radio.

No question at all. I do not want to be trapped in a capsized boat. That is a death sentence.

[boatman61]

Why tie yourself to an upturned vessel, the seas are gonna slam you into the Hull till your dead.. the rudder will be the only place you could tie onto seeing as the keel is back in the trunk..

[Mattdewizard]

Originally Posted by wholybee

No question, I would make a plan to get out of the boat. Inside the boat, we don't know how long until it suddenly sinks creating no chance of survival. We don't know if the EPIRB is activated, or if it is still with the boat. We can't use flares, smoke signals, or a handheld VHF. And we don't know how long rescuers will take to come up with a plan to get us out if they show up.

If we have light and they are accessible, close the through hulls. This needs to be done whether we stay in the boat or not. With them open, the boat will sink. With them closed, we can open the companionway, and water won't rush in. Get out of the boat. We can then either stay on the boat on the hull, or get in a liferaft still tethered to the boat. We have the possibility of using flares, smoke, or a handheld VHF radio.

No question at all. I do not want to be trapped in a capsized boat. That is a death sentence.

Like your well thought out response.

[JC Reefer]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Why tie yourself to an upturned vessel, the seas are gonna slam you into the Hull till your dead.. the rudder will be the only place you could tie onto seeing as the keel is back in the trunk..

If I’m the guy outside, alone and in a storm, then I wouldn’t want to be separated from the life raft, which is somewhere on the topside(now bottom) of this vessel.

I’d only want to be in that position until I felt I could attempt to go swimming for the life raft. And then even more so if want some sort of tether.

And sure the rudder would be a good place to hang on. Not sure any place is all that good. My point was that the guy outside was on his own.

My priorities for guy outside.
1) Don’t get separated from the vessel
2) find and get into raft
3) knock on the hull and see if anyone knocks back.

[Sam Woodbridge]

Where I live in Alaska. I’m told you can survive for about twenty minutes in the water. Hypothermia happens fast in cold water….

I wonder if the Mattdewizard knows which part of the world this is going to take place?

[TrentePieds]

And if anyone knocks back - whatcha gonna do?

TP

[TrentePieds]

And SW is dead right!

Even here in the benign Salish Sea, even in the summertime, 6 feet down the water is about 42ºF due to the enormous quantities of smelting water from the high mountains brought into BC coastal waters from the many rivers debouching there.

It is said - though I haven't verified it personally - that survival time for a man of "normal" BMI and "normally" fit is about 40 minutes, and that muscular control is lost after about ten minutes. That, of course, was the raison d'etre of the Mustang "floater suit" developed, IIRC, by the University of British Columbia.

I can tell you that many, many years ago when I was young a fit, and a member of a young and fit racing crew, I went over the side near the town of Squamish where the Cheakamus River enters Howe Sound. MAN!!! I'm sure I musta resembled the Roadrunner when I came to the surface :-)!

So I'm quite prepared to accept the "40 minutes" contention.

I am also prepared to assert without the slightest blush that a single man CANNOT get a MOB back aboard even a puny 30-footer all by his lonesome! Either one or two more men, or SERIOUS mechanical aid, is required. And don't ask me how I know THAT :-)!

Justa coupla more thoughts for the Wizard to cogitate upon.

I am also prepared to contend that if the Wizard manages to heel any boat he is likely to be in to, say, 40º, the water on the cockpit sole won't be all seawater :-)!

TrentePieds

[skipperpete]

I met a round the world sailor who had a rollover and dismasting in the southern ocean then managed to get to the falkland islands and fit a new mast to continue his voyage. He survived very well.

[nightowle]

I'd need to know more about this guy outside:
1. Is he a good friend? or merely an acquaintance along for a ride?
2. How many years until he retires?
3. What's his earning capacity? Has he ever bought you nice presents?
4. Do you lust after his girlfriend or wife?
5. Does he have an adequate sense of humor?
6. Is he a Republican or Democrat?

Lots of important things to consider here in terms of saving his ass.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by nightowle

I'd need to know more about this guy outside:
1. Is he a good friend? or merely an acquaintance along for a ride?
2. How many years until he retires?
3. What's his earning capacity? Has he ever bought you nice presents?
4. Do you lust after his girlfriend or wife?
5. Does he have an adequate sense of humor?
6. Is he a Republican or Democrat?

Lots of important things to consider here in terms of saving his ass.

Good checklist. Must add it to crew questionnaire as shouting through the hull is counter productive

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by nightowle

I'd need to know more about this guy outside:
1. Is he a good friend? or merely an acquaintance along for a ride?
2. How many years until he retires?
3. What's his earning capacity? Has he ever bought you nice presents?
4. Do you lust after his girlfriend or wife?
5. Does he have an adequate sense of humor?
6. Is he a Republican or Democrat?

Lots of important things to consider here in terms of saving his ass.