Survival challenge

[Mr B]

I have every thing on board in case of emergency break downs, Except a spare motor, But you can bet, That some thing will break that I dont have a spare for,



In a storm, Upside down, totally depends on the boat,

Is it water tite upside down, Are your thru hulls leaking air, Your going to sink,

If your sinking, Get out of the boat, How, That depends on the boat too,

All that rigging is loose and all over the place, Can you get out of the boat with out getting tangled in it, ???????


Is the man outside tethered, If not, he is dead and not worth the rest of your lives trying to save him,



The Epirb would have gone off and alerted the Cavalry, So maybe depending on where you are, a Wait of Approx 12 hours before you have some one outside to help you,



This is basically saying, How long is a peice of string,



A Storm or Gale are just words, Untill your in it, Then its another story, Hahahahahaha

[goboatingnow]

Strangely there is defintely a theme This year of inexperienced couples buying large boats as their first boat. Maybe covid have these people big savings or something

I have recently met 6 couples all buying 50 foot + boats and expressing a desire to sail very long distances including several oceanic passages.

50 foot now seems to be “de rigour “ for two people planing extended living aboard.

I don’t think starting in dinghies etc is any particular benefit. Any sailing experience is good irrespective of vessel. ( in general )

The sea is not a dangerous place if your careful and amazingly many of these large boats with inexperienced crew achieve their dream.

Hats to be eaten I think.

[HeinSdL]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I don’t think starting in dinghies etc is any particular benefit. Any sailing experience is good irrespective of vessel. ( in general )

The sea is not a dangerous place if your careful and amazingly many of these large boats with inexperienced crew achieve their dream.

Hats to be eaten I think.

OK, caveat. If I was 50 with no sailing experience looking to go cruising I would probably not spend years learning in a dinghy. Maybe a season. And I would never know what I missed out on anyway. So all good.

But as a kid, better to step into a dinghy and learn. Learning curve is steep, training wheels come off much quicker and besides how many kids can step onto a 50 footer just like that?

So the pronouncement about those folk who started in dinghies being "The less fortunate [who] can start their careers and n sailing dinghies if they like." needs rethinking. It's a silly thing to say and transmits a degree of arrogance not befitting a sailor.

Not overly worried about my hat.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by HeinSdL

OK, caveat. If I was 50 with no sailing experience looking to go cruising I would probably not spend years learning in a dinghy. Maybe a season. And I would never know what I missed out on anyway. So all good.

I was one of those that started on dinghies ( about 60 years ago), but I now teach complete beginners on a "Learn To Sail Keelboats" course and we use Club J/24's. IMNSHO, that's a great way to learn for adults. You can learn all about boat handling in something that size without getting a "wet bum" and it's easy to step up in size later.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Mattdewizard

Your boat capsizes. You an 6 crew are trapped in a water tight pilot house. During capsize there was a crew member on deck. They were wearing a survival suit with life vest, epirb attached, and your boat is equiped with a float free life raft. Your boat has been turtled for ten minutes. Possibly the mast is hanging on by the rigging keeping the boat from righting. The crew member on deck could now be unconscious or injured and unable to get in life raft. There are survival suits for everyone in the pilot house. Do you open the companionway door putting everybody in further jeopardy to help the person in the water or not?

A monohull like that with any amount of ballast, even a centerboarder with the centerboard up, will not float inverted. It can be rolled, but will pop back up. So this is not a realistic scenario.


But otherwise if the question is protecting 6 vs. saving one, which might appear in some other scenarios, for example in war -- there's no a priori objective answer to that. What is the risk to the 6? How likely is the one to be still alive? If the risk to the 6 of a rescue attempt is grave, and the one is unlikely anyway to be alive, then you probably wouldn't do it, would you? Other situations may suggest different answers.


And in any case the balancing of the good of many vs. the life of one, is a pretty deep philosophical question which not even John Stuart Mills' Utilitarianism gives an easy answer to. See: https://philosophy.stackexchange.com...xpense-of-many

[Sailer_Med]

I'm trying to imagine actually opening the companionway on a capsized boat. The pressure on the .5m^2 top cover may be sufficient that you'll not get it to slide. The removable opening cover maybe wiglable enough to get it out of the track so that a torrent of water will blow you right off your feet along with getting hit by the door. I think you've taken a chance that is unnecessary!

Wait for the boat to right. If it doesn't right before it slowly fills with water then taking some risk fighting the companionway becomes more appealing. The pressure on the door approaches zero as the boat fills with water also. Sounds appealing sitting there watching things fill as you know you are approaching completely sinking.

I guess this is why CATs have escape hatches in hull.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Adelie

No, until they run out of oxygen and asphyxiate which is a lot sooner.

He's got an oxygen maker..

[TrentePieds]

Stu said: "Ouch! I made the mistake of viewing his profile. Once seen - never forgotten!"

Indeed! The humility is stunning :-)!

Still, got 'im sussed, eh ;-)?

[El Pinguino]

So its a catamaran then?

Or maybe the keel fell off in which case you could do the 'full Bullimore'.

If the crew on deck is still 'on deck' he is long dead.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

So its a catamaran then?

Or maybe the keel fell off in which case you could do the 'full Bullimore'.

If the crew on deck is still 'on deck' he is long dead.

No.. its a yet to be built 54ft aluminium flat bottom broad beam long shallow keel centreboarder..
Still on the drawing board I believe..
https://www.enduro54.com/en/

[Sam Woodbridge]

Excuse me everyone….

I think Mattdewizard is now trolling everyone. You know like being a troll. Like harassing people with crazy ideas to get a response.

There has been some good trolls on the forums too!

Mattdewizard Is not the best troll, but me thinks it’s still early and he is probably still sleeping on the west coast some where.

[Mattdewizard]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

There... fixed it

Always love your humor Jim. Imagine how SV Wizard will make her grand entrance to the world Cruising arena.

[Mattdewizard]

Originally Posted by Sailer_Med

I'm trying to imagine actually opening the companionway on a capsized boat. The pressure on the .5m^2 top cover may be sufficient that you'll not get it to slide. The removable opening cover maybe wiglable enough to get it out of the track so that a torrent of water will blow you right off your feet along with getting hit by the door. I think you've taken a chance that is unnecessary!

Wait for the boat to right. If it doesn't right before it slowly fills with water then taking some risk fighting the companionway becomes more appealing. The pressure on the door approaches zero as the boat fills with water also. Sounds appealing sitting there watching things fill as you know you are approaching completely sinking.

I guess this is why CATs have escape hatches in hull.

Good advice. Monohulls should have an escape hatch also.

[Mattdewizard]

Originally Posted by boatman61

He's got an oxygen maker..

Oxygen maker. Of course. LOL.

[Mattdewizard]

Originally Posted by boatman61

No.. its a yet to be built 54ft aluminium flat bottom broad beam long shallow keel centreboarder..
Still on the drawing board I believe..
https://www.enduro54.com/en/

Any dream boat remains on the drawing board, constantly revised till it is built.