Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 30-04-2010, 09:36   #46
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: STX and Portland, until refit finished
Boat: 1999 Steel (Tom Collin's design)
Posts: 371
Just because it's no big deal in AUS, doesn't mean it's no big deal elsewhere.

Most countries want nothing but model citizens to ever come in. No funny weed smoking, no crazed police man cap stealing, nothing but honest, hard working, straight laced model citizens, that never do anything but pay taxs, and do as their told.

Personaly, I can't say I blame them. Would you invite anyone that had any sign of being a trouble maker into your house? Expecally if they are the highest level of trouble maker? (felon, by deffinition is the highest level of trouble maker.) Heck, even most employers in the US won't allow US felons to work!

If it truely is no big deal, then maybe the AUS goverment would be willing to exponge all the old, no big deal, offences?

In general, I'd say you have to pay to play. When your in your home country, your paying all of the regular taxs. Income, VAT, sales, mooring fees, slip fees, personal property taxs, registration, licencing, etc. When you get out of your country, you get to pay what ever that country decides you should pay. Sometimes it can be negocated between your country and the country your visiting to fix the fees and taxs to a specific level.

If an "citizen of the world" wants to go to an EU country with all the right and privlages of an EU citizen, then they must pay all the fees of an EU citizen. If they just want to visit, then they ahve to pay all the fees that the EU demands. It's a simple matter of ownership. The EU owns the islands, thus if you only get to do what the EU decides you get to do.
__________________

__________________
ViribusUnitis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 09:56   #47
Registered User
 
fishwife's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: South coast of England, moving around a bit.
Boat: Long range motor cruiser
Posts: 750
I understand that my offence as a young person is treated as a 'misdemeanor' (sp?) if you are a US citizen, not so, if you are an alien. (Can you see my green tentacles?)

P.
__________________

__________________
The message is the journey, we are sure the answer lies in the destination. But in reality, there is no station, no place to arrive at once and for all. The joy of life is the trip, and the station is a dream that constantly out distances us”. Robert Hastings, The Station
fishwife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 10:21   #48
Registered User
 
fishwife's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: South coast of England, moving around a bit.
Boat: Long range motor cruiser
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking Sailor View Post
P.

So what you are saying is that, even though you didn't qualify for a U.S. visa by virtue of being a convicted felon, you were nevertheless able to get a visa and hence your boat through the kind help of American citizens including a Senator. That seem like a fairly friendly and just resolution considering how complex and obscure the situation must have appeared to someone charged with enforcing the laws of the United States. In fact I find it hard to understand why you even needed to go to the U.S. considering the boat was in the med and the ease in which a bank can transfer funds these days. I just guess that there is some part of the story that was left out that would make this clear. Anyway, it's great that you have your boat and may you enjoy it for many years to come.

Thank you for your good wishes Viking Sailor. Am I allowed to infer from your nickname that you may have a 'rape and pillage' mindset. I assume that this doesn't apply to 'aliens' who would of course be 'felons'.

P.
__________________
The message is the journey, we are sure the answer lies in the destination. But in reality, there is no station, no place to arrive at once and for all. The joy of life is the trip, and the station is a dream that constantly out distances us”. Robert Hastings, The Station
fishwife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 10:33   #49
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,828
Images: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViribusUnitis View Post
. No funny weed smoking, no crazed police man cap stealing, nothing but honest, hard working, straight laced model citizens,

At least our politicians know how to inhale!
__________________
Notes on a Circumnavigation.
OurLifeAtSea.com

Somalia Pirates and our Convoy
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 10:45   #50
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: STX and Portland, until refit finished
Boat: 1999 Steel (Tom Collin's design)
Posts: 371
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkJ View Post
At least our politicians know how to inhale!
Hey I never said the village idoit wasn't running the joint. If you could find a way to convince our politisions that weed is not bad, I'm all for it!

That said, much the same goes for just about any country. Countries don't like trouble makers. They can't do to much aobut the trouble makers that are born there, but they can do their best to keep the ones born outside from coming in.
__________________
ViribusUnitis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 10:46   #51
֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 13,037
Entry bonds are normal. Try to get into Bermuda without proof that you have passage back OUT again. You won't.

Most island paradises, among other places, want to be sure that broke stumblebums won't become a burden on their society or social welfare system. And, that tourists and visitors will have enough spare money to enrich the local economy. So...

No entry bond? No return prepaid passage? You're a bum in their eyes and they don't want you in. Right or wrong, that's the way it goes, unless you're a refugee trying to enter Canada and drop off the books. (That'll change.)

The only "piggy piggy!" change from place to place is how fat the percent is that they take off your bond. IIRC in FP you need to convert your money into the local scrip to post the bond, and then convert it back to take anything useful home, and they rip you off both times. (There's no reason euros or dollars couldn't be accepted, if all the wanted was passage. This is just "enrich our bankers" greed.)

So reasonable men either recognize that someone else got there and became king first, or do as the Norse did: "Pile up your gold and cattle and women on the docks, and when we're done we'll leave quietly. Or, we can plunder and pillage and have some fun with your toy kingdom before we go. Your choice."

Hmmm...not much gold or beef in FP...Tell 'em to just ship out some women, and I'll call off the invasion fleet. :-)
__________________
hellosailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 11:29   #52
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2005
Boat: Outbound 44
Posts: 4,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwife View Post
I understand that my offence as a young person is treated as a 'misdemeanor' (sp?) if you are a US citizen, not so, if you are an alien. (Can you see my green tentacles?)
P.
Fishwife,
With your checkered past there is a high likelihood that you would reoffend. With your EU passport you might end up sailing around Cuba, then try and enter Gitmo without proper insurance. Your past haunts you.


Paul L
__________________
Paul L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 14:52   #53
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Lucas View Post
But I would be interested in knowing the "hoops" for a UK citizen to enter the US.
I went to the USA about 15 years ago - Vegas . I was going RTW by jumbo and it was enroute. Got off the Plane from NZ (why I decided not to stop over in Tahiti or Fiji still puzzles me )........Visa on Arrival.

All very polite and civilised


Nowadays I would have to travel to London to get a Visa - for me that would cost the best part of £500, leaving aside loss of earnings and the aggro of going to London / England and with no guarantee of a successful application or not being required to revisit the Embassy (London) on a later date. Plus a miriad of ever changing rules and requirements to fall foul of...........and upon arrival in the States no guarantee of Entry due to the whims of the entry officer, whether or not supported by the whims of Google ............and the risk of detention. or worse. (to be fair, I haven't always been a Nun ).

The competition is Europe on my doorstep, with most of the rest of the world visitable with a visa on arrival.

For business purposes I don't need to visit the USA (chicken & egg with that I guess) for recreation I can't be bothered with the hassle and needing to plan exact dates ahead of time (hell, I walked past a Travel Agent once saw a cheap flight price and the next day was enroute to SEA for 3 months ) - the USA doesn't have anything that I want and can't get elsewhere.

But every country gets to do as it sees fit - can't make everyone happy..........especially when the Bogeyman is out there.

Boo!
__________________
David_Old_Jersey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 15:04   #54
Don't ask if you can't handle it
 
sailorboy1's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: On the boat somewhere
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 12,311
damn, this is starting to bum me out, now I'm going to have to add a year more of working to my plan in order to save enough to cover the entry fees

other than that, lets play nice here, lots of places to see and I doubt I have enough years left in me to see most worth seeing
__________________
sailorboy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 15:59   #55
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Auckland NZ
Boat: Stevens 47
Posts: 240
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Lucas View Post
damn, this is starting to bum me out, now I'm going to have to add a year more of working to my plan in order to save enough to cover the entry fees

other than that, lets play nice here, lots of places to see and I doubt I have enough years left in me to see most worth seeing
Just go...it is not a "FEE" it is a BOND...that means that you get your money BACK when you leave....if you haven't enough money to pay a $1500 bond for a month or so then SURELY you haven't enough money to be sailing around the Sth Pacific anyway. The currency exchange fee the banks charge is a BANK fee not a government fee....the banks in the USA charge the same exhorbitant fees so discard that one as something to complain about....in fact....do your homework...if you show up in a country knowing nothing about the entry requirements then you deserve exactly what you get!
And lastly...if you (not you Don!!...)have to complain about these sorts of things then stay home for god's sake! Cruising and all it's cost just are what they are...it still beats the HELL out of living on land if you are so inclined and complaining about crap like this before you have even left is bordering on farcical.

For the record too...FP is stunningly beautiful...someone made a sarcastic comment about crowded expensive resorts but you are on a BOAT not staying in a fake grass hut and the islands are incredibly beautiful!! If I were to do it again I would stay the whole season just in FP then do the rest to NZ the year after...Fatu Hiva...stunning!!....Fakarava...BEST pass dive anywhere on the planet...Bora Bora...frikken amazing!!!....do NOT skip past FP or you will regret it. Get there in early July for the Heiva Festival if you can.
YES it is VERY expensive for supplies but that is what Panama is for...load up to the waterline. Don't spend any more time than you absolutely have to in Papaaete and then the high prices mean a lot less.

Enjoy!
__________________
To incident I am prone...
Cast me out and watch me skip along.....
Rangiroo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 16:45   #56
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brisbane
Boat: deboated
Posts: 672
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rangiroo View Post
Just go...it is not a "FEE" it is a BOND...that means that you get your money BACK when you leave....if you haven't enough money to pay a $1500 bond for a month or so then SURELY you haven't enough money to be sailing around the Sth Pacific anyway. The currency exchange fee the banks charge is a BANK fee not a government fee....the banks in the USA charge the same exhorbitant fees so discard that one as something to complain about....in fact....do your homework...if you show up in a country knowing nothing about the entry requirements then you deserve exactly what you get!
And lastly...if you (not you Don!!...)have to complain about these sorts of things then stay home for god's sake! Cruising and all it's cost just are what they are...it still beats the HELL out of living on land if you are so inclined and complaining about crap like this before you have even left is bordering on farcical.

For the record too...FP is stunningly beautiful...someone made a sarcastic comment about crowded expensive resorts but you are on a BOAT not staying in a fake grass hut and the islands are incredibly beautiful!! If I were to do it again I would stay the whole season just in FP then do the rest to NZ the year after...Fatu Hiva...stunning!!....Fakarava...BEST pass dive anywhere on the planet...Bora Bora...frikken amazing!!!....do NOT skip past FP or you will regret it. Get there in early July for the Heiva Festival if you can.
YES it is VERY expensive for supplies but that is what Panama is for...load up to the waterline. Don't spend any more time than you absolutely have to in Papaaete and then the high prices mean a lot less.

Enjoy!
I could not agree more
__________________
meyermm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 20:07   #57
Senior Cruiser
 
osirissail's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: A real life Zombie from FL
Boat: Gulfstar 53 - Osiris
Posts: 5,416
Images: 2
Just in from the Pacific Puddlejumpers group: "We have arrived in ... Atuona. Beautiful scenery, volcanic. The check-in went very well, we are members of "Latitude 38" Mag. Pacific Puddle Jump so we did not have to put up a bond. The bad news is everything is so expensive. $5 for a beer in the store, $8 per hr for internet on the one computer in the post office. . . ."
- - Actually, I think something was left unsaid in the above part of the email report. There are two cruiser/yacht service organizations in Papeete and usually one or the other will "vouch" for you in exchange for a fee somewhere around US$100 (+/-). This gets you on a "bond waiver" list with the local government officials. The "bond" is never really done away with, it is simply "waived" for people of adequate financial status.
__________________
osirissail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 23:08   #58
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brisbane
Boat: deboated
Posts: 672
That will still be too much for Gecko he wants to be paid to visit I think and so he can whinge some more. With a bit of luck the bond will keep him away so the rest can enjoy the place.
__________________
meyermm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-04-2010, 23:23   #59
Registered User
 
speakeasy's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: La Paz
Boat: 41' Custom CC Cutter
Posts: 647
Quote:
Originally Posted by meyermm View Post
That will still be too much for Gecko he wants to be paid to visit I think and so he can whinge some more. With a bit of luck the bond will keep him away so the rest can enjoy the place.
Generous and charming.
__________________
"The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." ---Aldous Huxley
speakeasy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 12:45   #60
Senior Cruiser
 
Therapy's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: W Florida
Boat: The Jon boat still, plus a 2007 SeaCat.
Posts: 6,894
Images: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwife View Post
Your embassy took the view that a 'convicted felon' must have come by their money by nefarious means, despite my company accounts showing entirely legitimate trade in 'rare earths' for 18 years.


.

P.
Come on.
Try being a convicted felon and getting into Canada, or Germany, or Mexico, or or or...........
The US is actually less draconian than most of the rest of countries. Well....maybe was since 9-11. Seems tougher all over since then.
__________________

__________________
Therapy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
French Polynesia

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Boatyards in Raiatea, French Polynesia getlostonpurpose Pacific & South China Sea 5 03-11-2015 09:58
Yellow Fever - French Polynesia jim_thomsen Pacific & South China Sea 11 07-04-2010 17:04
Ninety Day Visa in French Polynesia jim_thomsen Pacific & South China Sea 11 27-11-2009 06:25
French Polynesia Crusing Guide Limpet Pacific & South China Sea 14 05-06-2008 06:19
Visa Requirements French Polynesia Mark van Niekerk Pacific & South China Sea 1 29-01-2008 04:55



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 20:06.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.