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Mike OReilly
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
Quote:
Originally Posted by
s/v Moondancer
Mike, my statement is based on 6 years cruising full time in the
Caribbean
and on confidences from very close friends.
Thanks. I appreciate the answer.
And just to be clear, because I’m trying hard not to make assumptions: Are you saying these people are carrying
guns
illegally? That these people are choosing
not
to follow the laws of the land they are visiting? Or, are these visitors going through the proper hoops to bring these
guns
in legally (where such an option exists, I guess)?
To me, one of the basic tenants of international travel is to obey (if not respect) the laws of the land I am a guest in. I may not agree with them, but surely I should not intentionally flaunt them.
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07-02-2019, 15:55
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Lake-Effect
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
I'm not terribly surprised that some folks might have guns secreted away on their yacht. Cruising itself is being independent and self-sufficient (til you run out of ice), and seeking adventure; bringing a gun would fit in nicely with all that.
If they're smart and careful, and the firearm is well hidden... I guess the world is still safe (and maybe the next owner of the
boat
will discover a rusted and useless relic when they rip out some lining).
I guess the new information for me is that
boat
searches aren't always that exhaustive, and/or there's no end to the stuff you can get away with if you're western, white and well-off
.
The guys who think they NEED a gun... they still scare me.
08-02-2019, 06:49
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john61ct
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mike OReilly
To me, one of the basic tenants of international travel is to obey (if not respect) the laws of the land I am a guest in. I may not agree with them, but surely I should not intentionally flaunt them.
I intended no "jabs", and appreciate your good intentions.
It just seems very naive to me that anyone would be surprised to learn that many do not share such an ethical stance.
I am pretty certain Americans living or travelling long-term outside the US are less law abiding than those who stay home. And those latter aren't all that law-abiding to start with.
And then there is the additional issue wrt this specific topic that many millions of USians consider it their sacred God-given "right" to carry weapons, and therefore would feel justified in violating earthly prohibitions by non-believing heathen furriners.
The intersection between those who hold such attitudes and those who
cruise
overseas is likely a lot bigger than many of us would think.
08-02-2019, 10:32
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Mike OReilly
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
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john61ct
...It just seems very naive to me that anyone would be surprised to learn that many do not share such an ethical stance.
I am pretty certain Americans living or travelling long-term outside the US are less law abiding than those who stay home. And those latter aren't all that law-abiding to start with.
You have more experience than I with international living, but I’d have to see actual evidence for your assertion before I could accept it.
I have spent considerable time in the
USA
, and I did not come away with any sense that Americans are generally less law-abiding than Canadians. Nor have I seen this in the American cruisers I’ve connected with over the years.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
john61ct
And then there is the additional issue wrt this specific topic that many millions of USians consider it their sacred God-given "right" to carry weapons, and therefore would feel justified in violating earthly prohibitions by non-believing heathen furriners.
I can see the logic of this one. Gun
ownership
does appear to be a religion for a segment of the American population.
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08-02-2019, 11:37
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GordMay
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
Quote:
Originally Posted by
john61ct
... I am pretty certain Americans living or travelling long-term outside the US are less law abiding than those who stay home. And those latter aren't all that law-abiding to start with...
Why does the US have such a high rate of gun murders, by far the highest in the developed world? Is it because of guns, or is there something else going on? Maybe America is just more prone to crime, say, because of
income
inequality or cultural differences?
A landmark 1997 study actually tried to answer this question. Its findings, which scholars say still hold up, are that
America doesn't really have a significantly higher rate of crime
compared to similar countries. But that crime is much likelier to be lethal: American criminals just kill more people than do their counterparts in other developed countries. And guns appear to be a big part of what makes this difference.
“Crime Is Not the Problem: Lethal Violence in America”
~ by Franklin E. Zimring and Gordon Hawkins ➥
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...nce_in_America
Crime Index (CI) is an estimation of overall level of crime in a given city or a country. We consider crime levels lower than 20 as very low, crime levels between 20 and 40 as being low, crime levels between
40 and 60 as being moderate
, crime levels between 60 and 80 as being high and finally crime levels higher than 80 as being very high.
Safety
Index (SI) is, on the other way, quite opposite of crime index. If the city has a high
safety
index, it is considered very safe.
➥
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/indices_explained.jsp
Some comparisons:
Venezuela
CI = 83.23, & SI = 16.77
Trinidad And Tobago
CI = 74.04, & SI = 25.96
Dominican Republic
CI = 61.35, & SI = 38.65
Mexico
CI = 52.30, & SI = 47.70
The United States CI = 47.13, & SI = 52.87 (Moderate CI)
The United Kingdom CI =42.72, & SI = 57.28
New Zealand
CI = 39.55, & SI = 60.45
Canada
CI = 39.51, & SI = 60.49
Denmark
CI = 24.25, & SI = 75.75
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08-02-2019, 12:36
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wolfgal
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
Quote:
Originally Posted by
GordMay
Why does the US have such a high rate of gun murders, by far the highest in the developed world? Is it because of guns, or is there something else going on? Maybe America is just more prone to crime, say, because of
income
inequality or cultural differences?
A landmark 1997 study actually tried to answer this question. Its findings, which scholars say still hold up, are that
America doesn't really have a significantly higher rate of crime
compared to similar countries. But that crime is much likelier to be lethal: American criminals just kill more people than do their counterparts in other developed countries. And guns appear to be a big part of what makes this difference.
“Crime Is Not the Problem: Lethal Violence in America”
~ by Franklin E. Zimring and Gordon Hawkins ➥
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...nce_in_America
Crime Index (CI) is an estimation of overall level of crime in a given city or a country. We consider crime levels lower than 20 as very low, crime levels between 20 and 40 as being low, crime levels between
40 and 60 as being moderate
, crime levels between 60 and 80 as being high and finally crime levels higher than 80 as being very high.
Safety Index (SI) is, on the other way, quite opposite of crime index. If the city has a high safety index, it is considered very safe.
➥
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/indices_explained.jsp
Some comparisons:
Venezuela
CI = 83.23, & SI = 16.77
Trinidad And Tobago
CI = 74.04, & SI = 25.96
Dominican Republic
CI = 61.35, & SI = 38.65
Mexico
CI = 52.30, & SI = 47.70
The United States CI = 47.13, & SI = 52.87 (Moderate CI)
The United Kingdom CI =42.72, & SI = 57.28
New Zealand
CI = 39.55, & SI = 60.45
Canada
CI = 39.51, & SI = 60.49
Denmark
CI = 24.25, & SI = 75.75
Gord, this is so interesting! where do you find this stuff!
there is an aspect of gun-holding vs non-gun-holding societies that would be interesting to compare as well, i.e., how safe we feel to communicate emotions in stressful public situations. for instance:
if a car nearly runs over me in
Europe
, i can yell at the person, tell him/her to be careful, to get off of the miserable
phone
(so not to kill someone else). i can express my anger. i can even slam the car with my baguette or umbrella, if it is truly a close call.
if a car nearly runs over me in the US, i must wait to see if the person is having a bad-hair day before expressing any reaction at all...
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08-02-2019, 16:01
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john61ct
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
I think there is also a genetic component, those heading out to the colonies - for whatever reasons - probably much less risk averse than those staying in the motherland.
Then the impact of living in what started out largely as wilderness, the "lawless frontier" cultural aspects.
Freedom to steal, rape and pillage was a big part of the "pursuit of happiness" you go back far enough.
08-02-2019, 16:10
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atoll
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
Freedom to steal, rape and pillage .......still the national sport in many african countries
09-02-2019, 05:25
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GordMay
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
Quote:
Originally Posted by
john61ct
I think there is also a genetic component, those heading out to the colonies - for whatever reasons - probably much less risk averse than those staying in the motherland.
Then the impact of living in what started out largely as wilderness, the "lawless frontier" cultural aspects.
Freedom to steal, rape and pillage was a big part of the "pursuit of happiness" you go back far enough.
That doesn’t explain the differences in attitude & culture, between the descendants of American, Canadian, Australian*, and new Zealander colonists.
Do you think that those settlers of more challenging (geographically & climactically), and/or more remote/distant & biologically foreign territories, were any less adventurous than American settlers?
* OK, so not all Aussie settlers were volunteers.
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09-02-2019, 14:35
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john61ct
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
I did not say risky DNA was the only factor.
10-02-2019, 04:48
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GordMay
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
Quote:
Originally Posted by
john61ct
I did not say risky DNA was the only factor.
Nor did I suggest you had. I'm suggesting that it's not ANY factor, IMHO, in the differing cultures between former colonies.
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10-02-2019, 07:16
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john61ct
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
I think it is a significant factor in common.
The differences likely come from living in a society where citizens have a greater sense of
security
, that the community &
government
are looking out more for the needs of its citizens.
10-02-2019, 15:25
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GordMay
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
Quote:
... America doesn't really have a significantly higher rate of crime compared to similar countries. But that crime is much likelier to be lethal: American criminals just kill more people than do their counterparts in other developed countries. And guns appear to be a big part of what makes this difference...
Mass shootings in the US: there have been 1,624 in 1,870 days
No other developed nation comes close to the rate of US gun violence. Americans own an estimated 265m guns, more than one gun for every adult.
Data from the Gun Violence Archive reveals
there is a mass
shooting
*
– defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the shooter –
nine out of every 10 days on average
.
☞
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r.../mass-shooting
* Not necessarily fatal.
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10-02-2019, 15:42
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Jason Flare
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
Here’s a good one that explains a few things. Check this out:
10-02-2019, 15:44
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Jason Flare
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Re: Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok
It didn’t post.
Trying again:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
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