The Yard Guys

[neilpride]

A bavaria with bottom paint inside, you sure???

[neilpride]

You can see actually in this video, that the 80 % of the boat lenght interior hull is covered by furniture and the liner, the hiden hull sides by the furniture are bare fiberglass, but then why cover the glass with something if actually no one notice it or see it, and the grid liner have a clean and good looking surface , then the stern and the bow áreas are separated from the inner moulding and they are White gelcoat..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=13m_42QS4uU

[Polux]

Originally Posted by neilpride

A bavaria with bottom paint inside, you sure???

Yes I am sure, epoxy bottom two component stuff but I guess you are right. They apply it only on areas where the water can be in contact, meaning the bottom and low sides. It seems that on jeanneau they do it with gelcoat that is waterproof too.

[colemj]

Originally Posted by Polux

What do you mean with "fiberglass extensive spots"? You mean that out of those spots the interior of the hull is gelcoat? Never saw gelcoat on the interior of a hull

Flowcoat (gelcoat) finishes on non-living space hull interiors (lockers, bilges, etc) is very common. Probably much more common than epoxy paint - at least all the boats I am familiar with.

However, I don't see any daylight between gelcoat and epoxy paint here - the only purpose is to provide an esthetically smooth surface, with the possible practical reason of making it easier to clean.

Mark

[Polux]

Originally Posted by colemj

Flowcoat (gelcoat) finishes on non-living space hull interiors (lockers, bilges, etc) is very common. Probably much more common than epoxy paint - at least all the boats I am familiar with.

However, I don't see any daylight between gelcoat and epoxy paint here - the only purpose is to provide an esthetically smooth surface, with the possible practical reason of making it easier to clean.

Mark

It can't be that bad. Oyster as well as Hanse uses that to. Maybe Italian/Germans versus French boats. The reason Epoxy is used on areas that can be in contact with water has to do with being impermeable.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Polux

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Do those nuts on the keel bolts really have no backing? It looks like they are just the nuts, not even washers. Is there a backing plate underneath the fiber glass that you know of? Resolution is too low to get a great look when magnifying.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by avb3

Do those nuts on the keel bolts really have no backing? It looks like they are just the nuts, not even washers. Is there a backing plate underneath the fiber glass that you know of? Resolution is too low to get a great look when magnifying.

Why they should they have washers if they are over a big backing steel plate?

[smackdaddy]

Originally Posted by avb3

Do those nuts on the keel bolts really have no backing? It looks like they are just the nuts, not even washers. Is there a backing plate underneath the fiber glass that you know of? Resolution is too low to get a great look when magnifying.

Did you really just ask that question?

Yard Guy - clean up on aisle 5.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Polux

Why they should they have washers if they are over a big backing steel plate?

That was my question. It was not obvious from the photo, it looked like there was just fiberglass there.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by smackdaddy

Did you really just ask that question?

Yard Guy - clean up on aisle 5.

Says the guy who doesn't recognize a bottom job prep? Or answered if his boat ever had one done, or if he has been in a yard to see them prep other boats.

Telling by the silence, but has lots to comment on other issues.

[smackdaddy]

Originally Posted by avb3

Says the guy who doesn't recognize a bottom job prep? Or answered if his boat ever had one done, or if he has been in a yard to see them prep other boats.

Telling by the silence, but has lots to comment on other issues.

You seem obsessed. That's not healthy.

As I said earlier, I recognize the prep in those photos. And yes I've seen it before. The question - always - is what is underneath the primer/filler "prep" - and why was it needed? Pinguino got this. But you wouldn't be interested.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by smackdaddy

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As I said earlier, I recognize the prep in those photos. And yes I've seen it before. The question - always - is what is underneath the primer/filler "prep" - and why was it needed? Pinguino got this. But you wouldn't be interested.

I don't understand what that is all about: There are many old Swans that the owners, or new owners decided to refit. Any old boat needs work from time to time. Why do you find need to post photos about that? On the marina where I picked up my boat they run a business recovering and maintaining old Swans. Plenty of work, the shipyard has more work with them then with any other boats (they are more and older). It is expensive to maintain an old top boat in pristine condition, good business for the cantieri

I don't understand also why some of the guys that like old shoes like Swans. Swans were never old shoes but top performance cruiser racers on their own time and that's because they were very advanced designs on their time that they still have today a performance identical to contemporary mass production sailboats, size by size. I like Swans as I like old sports cars, what I don't get it is why someone that likes Swans does not like today's Swans, the boats that today are what Swans were in the past (including modern Swans) boats like these ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gib2t1FJqDM

[minaret]

Originally Posted by Polux

I don't understand what that is all about: There are many old Swans that the owners, or new owners decided to refit. Any old boat needs work from time to time. Why do you find need to post photos about that? On the marina where I picked up my boat they run a business recovering and maintaining old Swans. Plenty of work, the shipyard has more work with them then with any other boats (they are more and older). It is expensive to maintain an old top boat in pristine condition, good business for the cantieri

I don't understand also why some of the guys that like old shoes like Swans. Swans were never old shoes but top performance cruiser racers on their own time and that's because they were very advanced designs on their time that they still have today a performance identical to contemporary mass production sailboats, size by size. I like Swans as I like old sports cars, what I don't get it is why someone that likes Swans does not like today's Swans, the boats that today are what Swans were in the past (including modern Swans) boats like these ones:

Did you know the N52 began life as the Swan 53, before Nautor sold the molds to Nauticat and S&S redesigned the boat for Nauticat (it was originally their design for Swan)?

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Polux

I don't understand what that is all about: There are many old Swans that the owners, or new owners decided to refit. Any old boat needs work from time to time. Why do you find need to post photos about that? On the marina where I picked up my boat they run a business recovering and maintaining old Swans. Plenty of work, the shipyard has more work with them then with any other boats (they are more and older). It is expensive to maintain an old top boat in pristine condition, good business for the cantieri

I don't understand also why some of the guys that like old shoes like Swans. Swans were never old shoes but top performance cruiser racers on their own time and that's because they were very advanced designs on their time that they still have today a performance identical to contemporary mass production sailboats, size by size. I like Swans as I like old sports cars, what I don't get it is why someone that likes Swans does not like today's Swans, the boats that today are what Swans were in the past (including modern Swans) boats like this one:

Because we all have different tastes. Some (me included) prefer the traditional. Perhaps that is why I buy ( and sometimes sell) antique furniture; I like the quality and what it represents.

You like modern. I look at that interiour and think, "How austere and sterile, with no character", you see modernity and like it. As far as taste goes, neither one is wrong, just different.

You know what they say about different strokes for different folks. BTW, newer boats need maintenance also. Or do you expect to trade them in every 5 years?

[Polux]

Originally Posted by avb3

Because we all have different tastes. Some (me included) prefer the traditional. Perhaps that is why I buy ( and sometimes sell) antique furniture; I like the quality and what it represents.

You like modern. I look at that interiour and think, "How austere and sterile, with no character", you see modernity and like it. As far as taste goes, neither one is wrong, just different.

You know what they say about different strokes for different folks. BTW, newer boats need maintenance also. Or do you expect to trade them in every 5 years?

You don't understand me: I like it all that is well designed, new and old. Each epoch has the more advanced cars and boats. I like has much these ones as I like the ones that are cutting edge now. There was a time where these ones were cutting edge too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Am1...770F5&index=34