15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I've always known them as Genoas..
But being a Brit.. I say spanner, you say wrench..

A genoa jib.
A jib is a triangular sail that sets ahead of the foremast of a sailing vessel. Its tack is fixed to the bowsprit, to the bows, or to the deck between the bowsprit and the foremost mast. Jibs and spinnakers are the two main types of headsails on a modern boat

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jib#...0modern%20boat.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by newhaul

A genoa jib.
A jib is a triangular sail that sets ahead of the foremast of a sailing vessel. Its tack is fixed to the bowsprit, to the bows, or to the deck between the bowsprit and the foremost mast. Jibs and spinnakers are the two main types of headsails on a modern boat

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jib#...0modern%20boat.

No1 jib
No2 jib
No3 jib
No4 jib
Before furlers were invented making 110+ Genoas feasible for cruisers.

[Joli]

Originally Posted by smj

Maybe irrelevant to you, but not to the ones that averaged 12.5 kts for 11.5 days straight. Have you ever averaged that? I think it’s pretty spectacular for a cruising cat, and they were first to finish.

Log speeds and port to port are different. Sailing records are based on port to port speeds. Coming down to the Caribbean this fall we averaged 6.4 knots port to port, our log speed was higher but irrelevant.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Joli

Log speeds and port to port are different. Sailing records are based on port to port speeds. Coming down to the Caribbean this fall we averaged 6.4 knots port to port, our log speed was higher but irrelevant.

As I said, maybe irrelevant to you.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by newhaul

But does anyone actually ever sail with 100% caculated sail area?

Myself i usually when no reefs are necessary am running full main and at least a 120% jib

That’s just fine. But to compare specifications and calculations among many different sail boats 100% sail area is used: full main and non-overlapping head sail. And some boats are set up to sail like that.

You could always recalculate the various formulas using your actual full sail area.

Regarding jib versus genoa, the former is used for non-overlapping head sails and the latter for overlapping sails. It’s silly to call a 120% overlapping head sail a jib. Nomenclature has developed for a reason, in this case so we don’t create confusion by referring to overlapping sails as jibs and non-overlapping sails as genoas.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by boatman61

No1 jib
No2 jib
No3 jib
No4 jib
Before furlers were invented making 110+ Genoas feasible for cruisers.

Except you are incorrect.
And my 150% hank on is a testament to that .

On my spencer 42 as well as my islander bahama 24

As a pro service provider delivery skipper you know just how wrong your statement above is .

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by fxykty

That’s just fine. But to compare specifications and calculations among many different sail boats 100% sail area is used: full main and non-overlapping head sail. And some boats are set up to sail like that.

You could always recalculate the various formulas using your actual full sail area.

Regarding jib versus genoa, the former is used for non-overlapping head sails and the latter for overlapping sails. It’s silly to call a 120% overlapping head sail a jib. Nomenclature has developed for a reason, in this case so we don’t create confusion by referring to overlapping sails as jibs and non-overlapping sails as genoas.

All head sails are by definition jib sails technical nomenclature is not debatable it is factual now if I say I run a jib alone the next question a person askes me is what size was I running .
I have them all the way from storm ( about 30% ) a large genoa jib of 165% . But are all jibs.

[XL2]

Originally Posted by newhaul

A genoa jib.
A jib is a triangular sail that sets ahead of the foremast of a sailing vessel. Its tack is fixed to the bowsprit, to the bows, or to the deck between the bowsprit and the foremost mast. Jibs and spinnakers are the two main types of headsails on a modern boat

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jib#...0modern%20boat.

Genoa = Head sail (No. 1 -2)more than 100% overlapping the mast
Jib = Head sail (no. 3-4) 100% or less and does not overlap the mast

[Palarran]

Originally Posted by smj

I think it’s pretty spectacular for a cruising cat, and they were first to finish.

It was. But I'd hardly call that a "cruising cat". They can, you can, others, whatever. But it really is a racing cat that can be slept and cooked in.

[hpeer]

No. 1 155% Light Wind Genoa
No. 2 135% Genoa
No. 3 100% Working Jib
No. 4 <80% Storm Jib

https://sailingfortuitous.com/jib-calc/

[Factor]

Originally Posted by newhaul

If you say so. If its not a jib sail then what is it ?
I am waiting with baited breath.

GENOA

[hpeer]

And this defines how “percent” is calculated.

Not exactly what I thought it meant.

[XL2]

Originally Posted by Palarran

It was. But I'd hardly call that a "cruising cat". They can, you can, others, whatever. But it really is a racing cat that can be slept and cooked in.

I disagree
nice interior that you can live on with light furniture and and minimal weight achieved by things like no hood linings or sound deadening.
very workable galley and bathrooms
I'd call it a great combination cruiser that can be raced. Certainly not a race boat....
I own a race boat that can be cruised...
And..... I call a large % of production cats "sail assisted" power boats these days. A sailboat in my opinion needs to go to weather... but that's me

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Factor

GENOA

Yes but it is still a jib sail

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by hpeer

https://sailingfortuitous.com/jib-calc/

Exactly and thank you for posting the link
The title of it says it all

JIB OVERLAP CALCULATOR.

A 150% genoa is a jib with a 50% overlapping the J measurement.