S&S Yankee 30 MkIII vs Bristol 27

[john61ct]

Motion Comfort ratio stats very close together.

That factor is close to top priority for me, so real-world seakindliness comments would be greatly appreciated.

[john61ct]

These two Qs maybe got buried in the OP

A. Is full keel vs skeg hung that different wrt withstanding groundings? Especially concerned about reefs, would love to visit family in Queensland one day.

B. Of course longer the better for offshore, but how much will going from 27 to 30' actually add to ongoing maintenance costs?

Not paying for storage / slips much. . .

[ebsail]

for an outboard on a sailboat you should use an EXTRA long shaft like the 6 HP tohatsu (25") shaft.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by ebsail

for an outboard on a sailboat you should use an EXTRA long shaft like the 6 HP tohatsu (25") shaft.

I have a 25" extra long shaft on my Bristol 27 on a bracket on the stern, but if his (potential) boat has the outboard in the well, a 20" shaft might work or could probably be used until it's worn out while he's learning

I'll be replacing my bracket this Winter. It's a 4 position adjustable and I usually have it on the third hole down when out in the bay since it won't quite go lower without being forced

It's all the way up when docking and in the creek.

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by john61ct

Motion Comfort ratio stats very close together.

That factor is close to top priority for me, so real-world seakindliness comments would be greatly appreciated.

I find the motion comfort ratio to be pretty useless. I've owned 3 boats that I've sailed offshore. The one with the highest comfort ratio was clearly in my experience the least comfortable.
From Brewer.

This is a ratio that I dreamed up, tongue-in-cheek, as a measure of motion comfort but it has been widely accepted and, indeed, does provide a reasonable comparison between yachts of similar type.

[Dooglas]

I crewed on a Yankee 30 in the winter series out of the Olympia Yacht Club years ago. It is a real performer and a beautiful S&S design. I would not, however, class it as a bluewater cruiser. Definitely a thoroughbred though.

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by Don C L

The 26 has a bolt on keel but it looked to me to be very robust.

Same with Y30.

> Bonded flanged deck-hull structure with teak toe rail through bolted.

> Combined double chain-plate fitted to single structural knee of glass molded into and extensively thickened hull topside that spreads the load through a broad area of the hull.
> Lead keel bolted to stub keel, 7/8” silicon bronze bolts.

Apparently no one's had a problem with the keel aspect yet, at least that I can find so far. The hull is a full 1" thick at that point

> The*keel bolts*don’t loosen and are massive. Never heard of a Y-30 with keel*issues. The skeg hung rudder is big, solid and responds well.

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The hull-deck joint is mentioned as an issue to pay attention to

The seller of this Y30 volunteered the below in response to my first condition question

The hull and rudder are in good shape. When I stripped the hull down to fair and epoxy seal it, there were no blisters.

The toe rail was gone before I got it but the deck/hull flange seems dry. I have about 11 board feet of teak and a small section of toe rail from another Yankee 30 that got a complete refit including toe-rail replacement, to fabricate a new one.

The teak handrail penetrations leak so needs to be re-seated. The port-lights should be sealed against leaks too.

There is a soft spot on the deck port side where a repair was attempted based on how the factory non-skid was re-textured. I got a sample of the negative non-skid pattern with the hopes that someday I would bring it back solid and looking original. There is another repair near the bow that is solid.

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by ebsail

for an outboard on a sailboat you should use an EXTRA long shaft like the 6 HP tohatsu (25") shaft.

Yes, that's exactly how long it is.

[john61ct]

I see from Mahina's listing they love the Y30

For B27 they note build quality got better in later years. My candidate here is from the first few batches, low hull #.

[john61ct]

Y30 PHRF rating these days about 174.

Then found this:
> Yankee 30 rates 192 in PHRF-NW. In anything over 10 knots it blows by boats that owe it time like they are standing still.

No idea yet re B27

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by john61ct

Y30 PHRF rating these days about 174.

No idea yet re B27

B27 is still 240 best I can tell sometimes 250.

It isn't raced much although one did race and complete the SHTP in 1988. They rated it 234 for that race. And it's time over the years is faster than boats rated as low as 150 but who knows what the circumstances were.

It just goes to show that many times PHRF Rating doesn't matter in long distance racing or cruising. It's more about the weather

http://sfbaysss.net/archive-shtp-web...tsThru2012.pdf

Btw, an Albin Vega 27 is rated 246

PHRF New England - Handicapping - Base Handicaps

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by john61ct

I see from Mahina's listing they love the Y30

For B27 they note build quality got better in later years. My candidate here is from the first few batches, low hull #.

Just a guess but they may mean the more recent Bristols after say 1980 or so.

All Bristol 27 may have all come from the same molds, build methods, etc

Only difference I've noticed on the B27 is the bow platform that comes on the later models

[john61ct]

No, the B27 specifically. But maybe just one opinion.

It seems unlike Yankee, Cape Dory, Tartan, the Bristol line was not a consistent design evolution from one size to the next. I found a "miracle bargain" B26, the forums just said "meh", I guess the later Herreshoff not quite as tops as the earlier ones?

Anyway, just thought interesting because often the other way around.

They say Yankee was ultra consistently good, in fact went out of business in the '70's recession / costs increase because they refused to compromise on quality,

by reducing thicknesses and speeding up laying methods, as apparently many did to survive.

[john61ct]

This seems important, while on the speed issue, I never plan on doing any racing, but:

The 1.5x heavier boat not only starts out faster in theory (bare boat), but

that difference will only increase when loaded down with live-aboard / passage-making gear & supplies.

The lighter boat being much more susceptible to getting bogged down by the extra weight.

And surely that in itself is a significant safety issue in both heavy weather survivability and overall seakindliness, apart from the speed issue?

[Dooglas]

Originally Posted by john61ct

Y30 PHRF rating these days about 174.

Originally Posted by thomm225

B27 is still 240 best I can tell sometimes 250.

Seems to me a clear indication that you are comparing apples and oranges here. And, while I'm at it - you are either looking for a boat that is readily transported by trailer or you are not. I'd say you need to make some basic decisions before you start debating the nuances of one boat against another.