S&S Yankee 30 MkIII vs Bristol 27

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by roverhi

there is a Mark I and II flavor of the boat, the Mark II had more ballast and a taller stick.

this prospect is Mk3, yes added 1000# ballast to 50% and 6' taller.

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by Suijin

full keel thing is bull@&$% with respect to general cruising needs but in your case, as they tend to be narrower, you’re probably in that camp by default.

by default but not religiously.

Reefs, grounding & rudder protection more than technical sailing NA design principles.

And so far Y30 appears very strong in that way, maybe best of both worlds?

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

I've posted about our experiences with our Y-33 mk III many times

Thank you, great report, I'll be sure to mine your past postings for more.

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by gmakhs

what you really need is the ability to beach the boat with the tide

Doesn't that last imply a shallow draft?

The Westerly Centaur 26 is on my list for that concept.

Obviously much easier to trailer too, any old flatbed or car hauler will do.

[john61ct]

So OK, let's talk about that

Originally Posted by gmakhs

Trailer ability , you don't really need it but

I do, but maybe not in the sense you think.

Originally Posted by Dooglas

Well, I'll set aside the trailerability aspect, if you will, after commenting that a Yankee 30 is not even in the running if you are serious about that criterion

Not talking about regularly retrieving/launching

Just the ability to get it home, keep stored on the trailer.

Yes ideally not requiring a travel lift or crane to launch it or haul it out of the water. That I realize may be gone with the Y30 compared to the other shallower draft candidates.

I will need to set up a tabernacle? whatever to make raising/lowering the mast as low tech DIY as possible.

I may only need to haul and trailer a half-dozen times per decade, I don't expect that to be easy nor cheap, so more focus on the suitability for passage-making for sure.

Note, I'm not necessarily planning on doing that anytime soon.

I just want to invest my restore / upfitting resources, only in a boat that is designed to be capable of withstanding those rigors.

Knowing I can if I choose, without having to start over with another project boat, ideally I won't ever **need** to do that. Obviously I may choose to, but don't want say visiting my family in Norway, Thailand or Queensland to force me to, if I do decide to get adventurous.

So far I haven't seen anything to make me think the Y30 is **less** capable of liveaboard / cruising / BW than my other smaller choices.

And I **definitely don't** want even bigger, this Y30 is a already quite bigger than I'd prefer.

Standing room was the main factor against a Flicka, for example.

Living comfort is not a priority, most of my life has been without mains electric or inside water, NP.

[gmakhs]

Other boats can do it using legs , mine had the legs added from the factory .

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by gmakhs

Other boats can do it using legs , mine had the legs added from the factory .

By "it" you mean trailering, using pad supports
http://www.bgtrailers.com/trailerima...1_hull_250.jpg
?

I also like the idea of a separate cradle to allow use of a generic flatbed.

Or use with a custom trailer to help bring the CoG down.

Then can be used on the ground, free the trailer up and reduce wear long-term.

Coolest setup I saw a German rig where the trailer didn't need to go all the way down the ramp, the cradle had stout castors and rolled down the frame rail channels all the way into the water, keeping the TV a lot higher keeping good traction.

Of course such gear can cost more than the initial purchase price of the boat, but worth it long term if eliminating slip and yard storage fees


sorry to get OT 8-)

[gmakhs]

I mean something like this .

[john61ct]

Like a custom designed shoreline 8-)

[Kudu]

For what it is worth, I am looking at buying a share of a Yankee 30 mk1 here in Sydney (Pittwater). It was sailed here from the Pacific North West (Vancouver?) maybe 20 years ago. Has been re-engined with a Kubota based 3 cylinder diesel. Nice thing is the engine is in the middle of the boat, and you can get to everything including the shaft seal, reasonably easily compared to most similar boats.


Most fittings are sturdy, but I was surprised to see that the reefing fittings were Micky Mouse dinghy type, and not lead back to the cockpit, whereas all the other controls are.
Jim what was yours like? (BTW if you are still in Pittwater, the boat is in Careel Bay.)

[JPA Cate]

John,

The Yankee 30 is the boat JIm and I sailed from SF to HI and back. But, it had had an oil canning problem, that Jim fixed first. There is, imho no reason to fear going to sea in one that's been fixed.

They're old now, so you may have issues, depending on what's available. It is a small boat in which to spend many days at sea, but if you are comfy with that, we found it a nice all 'round boat. It does like to sail on its ear. So be prepared for that. But sure as I'm sitting here this evening, one could be sailed wherever you want to go., except I don't really think it is a high latitude boat.

Ann

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by john61ct

Note, I'm not necessarily planning on doing that anytime soon.

I just want to invest my restore / upfitting resources, only in a boat that is designed to be capable of withstanding those rigors.

You may want to spend the time sailing now on just about any sort of trailer sailor to gain sailing/boating knowledge rather than worry about getting the toughest boat you can find later as a total beginner

Example: Webb Chiles has tons of experience and he is sailing want many would describe a a very light weight boat across oceans. (A Moore 24)

A favorite trailer sailor for many who one day wish to move up to something larger is the Catalina 22 which can be bought at a very low price. Or you could go for something faster and funner

https://maine.craigslist.org/boa/d/c...752165331.html

The experience is the main thing to be gained. You can obtain that sailing in most any inshore lake or creek and go from there

[NormanMartin]

JPA Cate:
How interesting. That's a story I would love to hear.

My wife and I restored a Yankee 30 here on Cape Cod. We did the work for a private owner and had a great time doing the work. It seemed like a pretty nice boat. I have more experience with the Tartan 30 version. Just coastal day sailing.

The Y30/T30 would make a nice voyager, I think. But... I have more interest in voyaging small boats than does the MRS and I am certain I know why!

Generally, I can't fault the boat. Prefer our Aphrodite though.

Keep well and thanks,

Norm
Harwich, MA
averisera.com

[Jim Cate]

Most fittings are sturdy, but I was surprised to see that the reefing fittings were Micky Mouse dinghy type, and not lead back to the cockpit, whereas all the other controls are.
Jim what was yours like? (BTW if you are still in Pittwater, the boat is in Careel Bay.)

To be honest, I don't really remember the details of the reefing system on that boat. After all, I sold her about 40 years ago! I know that it was simple slab reefing, only two poiints, and that I dealt with everything at the mast... something that I prefer in general.

I did a lot of single hand ocean racing in her, and put in and shook out countless reefs on my own, so it must have worked ok! Sorry I can't be more specific.

Jim

[Kudu]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

To be honest, I don't really remember the details of the reefing system on that boat. After all, I sold her about 40 years ago! I know that it was simple slab reefing, only two poiints, and that I dealt with everything at the mast... something that I prefer in general.

I did a lot of single hand ocean racing in her, and put in and shook out countless reefs on my own, so it must have worked ok! Sorry I can't be more specific.

Jim

Wow, it is pretty amazing that you and your old boat are both in Pittwater, Australia . Was she called Siesta then? Did you buy her new?

Where was the oil-canning happening?
Would love to have a chat if you have a phone. I will PM my details

BTW John is selling his share, and I am Ian