Classic Boats?

[Kettlewell]

Going back to full keel boats I realize I’ll be losing the fin keel maneuverability.

True, but OTOH full keel boats can track beautifully. Our Aage Nielsen full keeler would hold her course with the helm locked for long periods of time. I could go down below and use the head while she sailed herself with no autopilot. Made longer passages very easy on the helmsman. The only autopilot we had was an old Tillerpilot connected to a fitting on the wheel, with a very limited range and quite slow. But that was all we needed from New England up to Canada and down to Florida and back.

[thomm225]

My rudder is pretty small, but I have the outboard which can put me any place easily as it can turn thru about 200 degrees.

Used in conjunction with the tiller.

Photos from on the hard in 2019 and 2024.

[rls8r]

Originally Posted by Thomas1985

Going back to full keel boats I realize I’ll be losing the fin keel maneuverability.

Perhaps, but how much maneuverability do you need while cruising? I have a cut-out full keel, but I do OK in mooring fields and marinas. I can turn the boat around in about its length. I admit ... backing up is a chore ... every time is a new adventure ... but we full-keel folks learn tricks that make it easier and have learned to manage docking with spring lines. Admittedly, I'd be at a disadvantage racing around the buoys, but I don't do that.

And, as Kettlewell says, they track wonderfully. I was going down the Bay one day with everything balanced. My wife and I were sitting in the cockpit reading, when she looked up and asked, "Who's sailing the boat?" since it was obvious that I wasn't. I told her, "The boat is sailing the boat." She asked if I had the wheel locked. I told her that I didn't. She gave me a questioning look of disbelief ... got up ... went to the wheel ... and spun it, thus throwing the boat off its track! As John Rousmaniere has said, "The goal is not to sail the boat, but rather to help the boat sail herself."

Also, I believe that a full-keel boat is easier to heave to. I've heard (but have no experience) that it's sometimes difficult to heave to with a fin-keeled boat.

So, since I don't spend much (if any) time racing or backing up, I'm more than happy to trade the minimal reduction in maneuverability for the improvement in sailing qualities.

[Don C L]

Many years ago I sailed a Downeast 38, with a full keel and a bow sprit and I managed to get her in and out of a narrow fairway without too much drama. Once you get the hang of giving a quick prop blast over the rudder you can kick the stern around as needed to steer in tight quarters. And if you have to back out of the fairway because the prop walk messed things up, so what? It looks like the Invicta will be fine with that technique. It helps a lot to have an upwind slip though, but that’s true of all boats.

[Bowdrie]

Originally Posted by thomm225

My rudder is pretty small,

It's not that small, and it has a much more efficient shape than the old "half-a-heart" rudders.
The shape of yours puts a goodly amount of the area down at the bottom where it can exert more effort.
It's a good design.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Bowdrie

It's not that small, and it has a much more efficient shape than the old "half-a-heart" rudders.
The shape of yours puts a goodly amount of the area down at the bottom where it can exert more effort.
It's a good design.

It doesn't backup very well though so I'm lucky I have the outboard especially on windy days.

I've had about 12 boats with this one being my 6th sailboat, but first boat I've ever had to dock or was kept in a slip.

It had a diesel when I bought it, but it only lasted a few weeks.

I never had to enter or leave the slip which was at a fixed dock in really windy conditions.

This looks like a nice Good Old Boat.

Any idea what type it is?

[SomeGuyInaShirt]

Originally Posted by Thomas1985

Are boats like this realistic to own instead of the Catalina’s etc you see filling marinas?

Absolutely stunning.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1963-cheoy-lee-36-7233797/

The teak deck and wood on the coach roof are deal breakers for me but if you don't mind having hundreds of screw holes in your deck then have at it. Only you can really answer your question. I just finished a 2500mile cruise on a 1976 sloop. It had its challenges but what boat doesn't?

[Bowdrie]

Originally Posted by thomm225

This looks like a nice Good Old Boat. Any idea what type it is?

At first glance it appears to be a fiberglass rendition of a Folkboat.
But, it has an uncanny resemblance to something that may have come from the board of Chuck Paine.

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by thomm225

It doesn't backup very well though so I'm lucky I have the outboard especially on windy days.

I've had about 12 boats with this one being my 6th sailboat, but first boat I've ever had to dock or was kept in a slip.

It had a diesel when I bought it, but it only lasted a few weeks.

I never had to enter or leave the slip which was at a fixed dock in really windy conditions.

This looks like a nice Good Old Boat.

Any idea what type it is?

Check, I think it’s a Twister 28
Kim Holman design I believe

[Don C L]

Here it is
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/twister-28/

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Don C L

Here it is
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/twister-28/

Yep, definitely looks like it.

There was a Vancouver 27 a couple boats down from me in the yard late last year.

The owner had an Australian Accent and used some down under expressions every now and then. People would be like .... what?

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/vancouver-27/

Both of those boats are definite beasts and very seaworthy.

The Twister is 28' but weights in (displaces) at 9,968 lbs. Bal/Disp. 46.43%. Draft 5.00'

The Vancouver 27 displaces 8,960!

[Thomas1985]

Liked it a lot, but it has some issues…

Hull blisters. Deck and hull just both need painted asap.

Rudder needs rebuilt.

I really liked the interior though. Tons of storage.

[Thomas1985]

Is the deck not cored with wood?

[thomm225]

You really wouldn't want a totally fiberglass boat.

Maybe start looking at boats built in the mid to late 70's and on.

Plus no centerboard.

[dlj]

Originally Posted by thomm225

You really wouldn't want a totally fiberglass boat.

Care to explain why not?

dj