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dlj · 02-03-2024, 15:04

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Originally Posted by thomm225

I'm going by his post number 88.

Btw my boat is a 1974 Bristol with zero blisters.

Good Old Boats are out there but harder to find these days.

The description as far as I can see is not clear. The hull was manufactured in one piece rather than two halves as was commonly done. But the description of the deck is not clear to me if it has coring or not. That description was used often to represent the top layer of fiberglass and not if the boat has a cored top. I don't know on those early Pearson's if they built non-cored decks. I didn't think they did but I don't know for sure.

What Bristol do you have? Nice boats! Used to sail a Bristol 35.5c - great sailing boat.

dj

Thomas1985 · 02-03-2024, 15:09

The cat pee boat was really nicest one we’ve seen

robert sailor · 02-03-2024, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Thomas1985

This baba 30 looks obsessively maintained. Heated indoor storage. Newer diesel. $69k…

Is that crazy for a baba 30? It’s super well maintained, but that’s like 2x average price… I do really like that boat though. Plus it’s smaller so things like the inevitable teak replacement will cost less.

I always thought Cheoy Lee was known to be in the tank category. What didn’t you like about construction?

Baba 30 is a cute go anywhere offshore passage maker. Good storage for a 30 footer. They actually sail quite well. Depending on the actual condition and how long you were going to own it it may be priced close to its worth. Older boats can be money pits but a really well looked after boat can be a bargain if it’s in like new condition

Thomas1985 · 02-03-2024, 15:29

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1929-alden-309-8430550/

**Don C L** · 02-03-2024, 19:57

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Originally Posted by thomm225

First it indicates how old the boat is which is a big problem right off.

Then you are adding the extra weight with a totally fiberglassed boat.

Boats are enough trouble to maintain without getting an ancient totally fiberglassed built boat.

Think about the rest of the boat.

Not only is it a very inefficient sailing boat but being 60 plus years old it can have lots of problems besides what the previous owners may have done to it.

I am rather shocked to see you say this, unless you are joking. Your boat is pretty old and only has a cored deck right? And your hull is a pretty classic CCA design. I thought you loved your boat (?) I cannot imagine what it is about a "totally fiberglassed" boat that would make you say it will be too heavy and require more maintenance than a partially fiberglassed boat.

I believe the original Bounty IIs had a non-cored deck, as in solid fiberglass, and could be a little springy to walk on, but so what?

As far as 60s vs 70s boats, the chopper gun was developed in the 70s and more companies were cutting more corners to mass produce boats. I think Bristols remained fairly well-built throughout the 70s but many were not worth saving IMO. So being younger is not necessarily better in the boating world.

In any event it is better to ask those who own and sail the "ancient" boats before casting them aside. There is a member here, RenegadeSailor, who owns a Spencer 42 which I believe is one of those ancient totally fiberglassed boats and he seems pretty happy with her!

To Thomas1985, check out the threads in this social group for more info on the classics. I think someone in there had an Invicta or a similar design.
https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...+classics.html

And this thread specifically about Invictas:
https://www.sailnet.com/threads/pear...victa-38.9285/

thomm225 · 02-03-2024, 21:06

My Good Old Boat was basically a free boat.

I wouldn’t pay $40,000 or so for an old design,

I have basically just paid for maintenance and minimal upgrades over the last 13 years.

Thomas1985 · 03-03-2024, 04:32

I’m just not impressed with newer boats we see. As discussed I’m not paying $250k for a 2010 boat.

Like cars, most boats from about 1985-2000, seem like a sea of plastic and cheap materials.

Thomas1985 · 03-03-2024, 04:34

After viewing I agree on price… this boat needs to go at a significantly lower to be attractive.

Hull and deck paint is a lot of work!

thomm225 · 03-03-2024, 05:18

I just did the hull and topsides on my boat again. (4th time for the hull, 3rd for the topsides)

Still have to repaint the decks, cabin, and cabin sole.

Am also in the process of replacing the rigging. Bought new sails last year for around $2500.

You have to be careful with old boats because you may miss something when you inspect them before purchase.

I just spent about $1,000 with haul, launch, power wash, paint, and paint supplies not counting storage fee which was $270/month for 4 months. Luckily, my marina didn't charge me during that time.

With old inexpensive boats, the main charge can be the slip fee. My marina just went up to $10.50/ft/month.

I was lucky with my boat as it was filled with gear. The owner had just returned from a 2 year cruise from Massachusetts to Florida and the Bahamas. He didn't quite make it home. I found the boat 5 years after he left it near here.

It had an almost new Jib, 2X GPS, Depth, VHF, 2 main anchors plus rode and chain for each, autopilot, dodger, etc, etc.

The electronics was 1990's vintage as were the anchors, but I used them for years until they failed or were too worn to use further.

High dollar items I bought during the last 13 years were:

Replacement diesel: $1300
New 5 HP 2012 Outboard (after second old diesel failed): $1550
New 5 HP 2023 Outboard $1600
Replacement Dodger and Mainsail Cover: $1550
New Mainsail 2012: $1600
New main and Jib 2023: $2500
Tiller Autopilots: $950
Solar Panels/Controllers: $700 ( had several PWM's before getting a Victron)
SH VHF w/GPS and AIS: $350
Raspberry Pi Kits, Monitors, and adapters (for Home built chartplotter): $400
Custom 6" thick Cabin Settee, LED Lamps, and shade: $800
New Gen Mantus Anchor: $300
2 Outboard Brackets: $400
Running Rigging: $200
4 bottom jobs: ~$2500
Batteries $550 (finally bought 220 AH, 6 volt golf cart)

Price getting up near $17,000 over 13 years plus slip fee and liability insurance.

Boat was $2,000.

And I still have an old boat that won't point. I got spoiled though with my hi- tech racing beach cats which could point close to 30 degrees off the wind.

The Bristol 27 in a blow upwind is lucky to point 50-60 degrees off the wind, but in those conditions, the beach cats wouldn't be able to handle the conditions period.

My Good Old Boat is still a good cruising boat though but is a little tight down below.

thomm225 · 03-03-2024, 05:30

As for performance a J/30 or Catalina 30 have as much waterline as that Invicta 38 at 25'

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/198...-j-30-9123333/

Catalina 30:

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/199...-mkii-9058543/

Thomas1985 · 03-03-2024, 06:28

I figure it’s about $10k annually to own a 35-45 foot on Great Lakes.

Slips, storage, and insurance are $5-6k and the rest is several thousand in projects.

That’s going to be true of any boat. Even 15 year old boats are in the never ending refit cycle. I finally decided if you’re going to invest all this effort in a boat it better be something you’ll love when it’s fixed up.

If I don’t LOVE it’ll become a burden.

Thomas1985 · 03-03-2024, 06:32

How bad was prep and paint of decks? Any estimate of how many hours you had in that?

thomm225 · 03-03-2024, 06:50

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Originally Posted by Thomas1985

How bad was prep and paint of decks? Any estimate of how many hours you had in that?

I don't spent time to do a perfect job.

I may scrub the deck then paint with a brush when I feel like it ....deck and cockpit. Plus interior.

With EZ-Poxy one part.