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Old 12-06-2017, 09:50   #736
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What's wrong with this boat? Camper & Nicholson 43

An interesting one from France: 1969 CAMPER & NICHOLSON 43 Sail New and Used Boats for Sale

25k now, was 45k in Italy 2 years ago.

Question for the knowledgeable: what's wrong with this 43 footer to dip below 30k, especially here in the expensive Med? Apparently it floats...
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An interesting one from France: 1969 CAMPER & NICHOLSON 43 Sail New and Used Boats for Sale

25k now, was 45k in Italy 2 years ago.

Question for the knowledgeable: what's wrong with this 43 footer to dip below 30k, especially here in the expensive Med? Apparently it floats...
I suspect it is merely a matter of style preferences, or a lack of "curb appeal" compared to what else is on the market.

That boat is a nice older boat, but the style and cosmetic appearance is "aged."

Older boats can look great in "Bristol" condition (like new condition), but some older boats just look "used" and "old."

That said, I liked the interior, and the engine looks especially clean.

But, cosmetically, the boat topsides look like they have aged (see photos of cabin top, paint, trim, etc.) and so it appears to lack "curb appeal."

This is just an opinion, and I am simply responding to your question. The boat in the ad could have problems, that are only seen when visiting the boat or upon inspection. And for some it may simply be a great boat that needs some TLC. Or it could be a reflection of the market, with many newer or newer styled boats on the market at that price point.

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Indeed, a museum-piece , but a little bit of "fireproof bottom paint" can do wonders - in case there is no capital issue, like delamination, blisters on the hull, etc.
True, charter boats after 10years of wear and tear don't cost much more, but those also need at least the same pile of money to refit (electronics, engine, paint...). It is more likely the "floating apartment" vs "blue water vessel" question, where the market nowadays favors the former. Running costs of a 43'er in the Med are also quite high, the owner might shell out 1/3 of the asked price to cover 1 year of berth fees.
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"Running costs of a 43'er in the Med are also quite high, the owner might shell out 1/3 of the asked price to cover 1 year of berth fees."

That's kinda high even by So. Cal. standards. So another case where "The price of the boat is merely your down payment on sailing." ;-)

Are those costs typical throughout the Med, or just the obvs places like So. France, Italy...?
Like, how about Greece? other eastern Med?

Is it a function of boats over a certain length, as in a less than 30 footer would be quite a bit less?
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France, Croatia are quite expensive (6-7+k€/year for a 40' mono), Italy, Spain is moderate, Greece and Turkey are more realistic, sometimes <3k€ for the same 40' boat.
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An interesting one from France: 1969 CAMPER & NICHOLSON 43 Sail New and Used Boats for Sale

25k now, was 45k in Italy 2 years ago.

Question for the knowledgeable: what's wrong with this 43 footer to dip below 30k, especially here in the expensive Med? Apparently it floats...
It's a nice boat for the money and I'm sure it's well built (being a Camper Nicholson), but look at those overhangs and cabin. It's the size of a 35 footer (or even smaller). This is often the case with old (CCA) designs: they are much smaller than the LOA would suggest.
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It's a nice boat for the money and I'm sure it's well built (being a Camper Nicholson), but look at those overhangs and cabin. It's the size of a 35 footer (or even smaller). This is often the case with old (CCA) designs: they are much smaller than the LOA would suggest.
Valid point. LOA brings you the marina and workshop bills, LWL the speed and the room inside. Its LWL is 30', I don't think I could squeeze two (non sailing-tuned - therefore more needy) families/7 people in there even for daysailing...
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Valid point. LOA brings you the marina and workshop bills, LWL the speed and the room inside. Its LWL is 30', I don't think I could squeeze two (non sailing-tuned - therefore more needy) families/7 people in there even for daysailing...
That's amazing, 13ft of overhang? There's a C&C 39 above it with a 32ft lwl.
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Catalina 27

Looks to be in really good shape with lots of cruising gear already in place. Good price at $9800. If I were in the market for a weekend warrior boat, this would top the list to look at. Adding to the thread because of the price!

From Craigslist: https://staugustine.craigslist.org/boa/6169558515.html

Catalina 27 Tall Rig

Lines lead back to cockpit
4' draft

2 main sails:
- bought 2016 new, great condition
- older spare mainsail

3 head sails on roller furling:
- 150% furling genoa
- 120% furling genoa
- Jib head sail

1 spinnaker with pole, works well

6 winches

Auto pilot steering

14HP Universal M18 Diesel inboard
- runs great
- very efficient on fuel and reliable
- standard engine fuel filter and external Racor fuel filter

200 watt solar panel setup with charge controller, 4 battery bank system

Shore power hookup to plug into an electrical outlet, includes power cable

120 volt AC and 12 volt DC power outlets

Refrigerator/Freezer combo runs on 12 volts DC power

Pressurized 20 gallon water tank">fresh water tank provides hot and cold water throughout boat for the following:
- shower in the bathroom (hot and cold)
- sink in bathroom (hot and cold)
- sink in kitchen (cold)
- wash down hose outside (cold)

Jabsco toilet, macerator and y-valve

2 anchors
- Bruce anchor
- Fluke anchor
- 60 feet of 1/4 inch chain
- 200 feet of rode

Includes extras such as:
- VHF radio, dodger frame and sunbrella cover (not shown in pictures), compass, depth finder, alcohol burner stove, dock bumpers, life jackets, binoculars, wind meter, extra spare parts, flare gun, hand flares, horns, life jackets, etc

Located at Harbortown Marina in Fort Pierce, FL. Private seller, selling because we are moving to the west coast.
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This looks like a good boat at a good price (may already be sold though):

1984 Moody 34 Center cockpit Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

If it were on the other side of the Atlantic, I'd definitely be interested.

Pity though that the photo of the motor was taken during an earthquake (seaquake?) and that the "video" part of the listing is merely a computer-generated scan of the same photos, along with a computer voice.
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This looks like a good boat at a good price (may already be sold though):

1984 Moody 34 Center cockpit Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

If it were on the other side of the Atlantic, I'd definitely be interested.

Pity though that the photo of the motor was taken during an earthquake (seaquake?) and that the "video" part of the listing is merely a computer-generated scan of the same photos, along with a computer voice.
I took a look at that boat several weeks ago. It has some serious issues, not the least of which is the water damage to the interior wood.
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I took a look at that boat several weeks ago. It has some serious issues, not the least of which is the water damage to the interior wood.
Aha, thanks for the heads-up. Again goes to show that you don't really know a boat until you've trodden its planks, so to speak, and sometimes not even then, if--like me--you're not an expert. I sometimes tend to forget that fact and lose myself in pretty pictures, but I definitely will involve a surveyor in my upcoming boat search and purchase process.
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I took a look at that boat several weeks ago. It has some serious issues, not the least of which is the water damage to the interior wood.
Cosmetic damage? Or structural?
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Cosmetic damage? Or structural?
A complete lack of upkeep and maintenance for what I'd guess has been over a decade. The engine and electrical looked like a mess. Two other couples looked at it about the same time we did. It's been on the market for months during the busiest buying time of the year and still no takers. I suspect a proper survey would end up being about as thick as the NYC phone book.
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Cosmetic damage? Or structural?
The photo of the front cabin shows the door has some finish problems. It should be and was when new a satin varnish colour, so this boat has got very wet somehow.

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