Cruisers Forum
 


Closed Thread
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 17-11-2019, 07:09   #136
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 10,594
Images: 75
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

i guess they have had their coffee and got the code 0 out ,8.3kt boat speed now

https://forecast.predictwind.com/tra...ingLaVagabonde
atoll is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 07:13   #137
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Virginia, USA
Boat: Lagoon 450F
Posts: 49
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Breaking Waves View Post
just looking a bit at bigger picture routing, and speed decisions.

Friday there is forecast to be a high-pressure break developing. It would be useful to keep up enough speed to be on the north side of that break. Otherwise, they will end up in very light air and either essentially be parks for a while or need to motor.

so, I would be aiming to get up to somewhere along this black line.
Not seeing any recent threads discussing weather routing software. What are you using to create these cool scenarios?
IAmGroot is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 07:19   #138
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 74
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Budawang View Post
Interview with Riley on ABC radio:

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/perth/p...ouple/11700864

He says he's got the best weather router in the world helping them. Sounds pretty impressed with you Greta. It sure will make for some interesting YouTube episodes.
Further, from their Facebook page:
Quote:
A massive thanks to PredictWind for helping us out here and our northern hemisphere man Christian Dumard.
Terje Vigen is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 07:23   #139
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 74
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Christian Dumard, who is helping them out with weather routing, is obviously quite capable: https://www.facebook.com/marineweatherandstrategy/
Terje Vigen is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 07:45   #140
Registered User
 
TeddyDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arctic Ocean
Boat: Under construction 35' ketch (and +3 smaller)
Posts: 2,773
Images: 2
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
La Coruna means heading further N against predominantly N winds and a S going current (15-25nm/24hrs)..
Cadiz would add at least 1 or even 2 days to the trip..
IMHO Lisbon is their best option.. but, I am not the skipper or decision maker..
At 120km 'next to' is a stretch re Cadiz-Seville.
Vigo would be better than A Coruna.. 5hrs 37mins.
Most likely Lisbon. Thou never know what the weather brings this time of year. anyway they have an option to duck either way in case of some nasty weather.
TeddyDiver is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 07:47   #141
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 74
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Also interesting to follow Nikki Henderson on her Facebook site.
This was posted 2 days ago:
Quote:
Seasickness took Greta, Elayna and Lenny out of action last night. Riley and myself spent the night making as much ground as we could. We have flown every sail on the boat already - which is a lot of work physically hoisting and dropping. We did 2 hours on 2 hours off shifts over night, and spent each watch change poring over the weather together - working out where is safest to go. We feel good about where we are going now - made a decision as a team - south - away from what looks like the strongest headwinds.

As dawn broke we sailed into the Gulf Stream. It got warmer, morale improved and the sun has shined all day. Porridge, cashew yogurt fresh berries and peanut butter - breakfast of champions! It feels like we are on a health food show ...
https://www.facebook.com/pg/nikki.he...=page_internal
Terje Vigen is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 07:56   #142
cruiser

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Probably in an anchorage or a boatyard..
Boat: Ebbtide 33' steel cutter
Posts: 5,030
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeddyDiver View Post
Most likely Lisbon. Thou never know what the weather brings this time of year. anyway they have an option to duck either way in case of some nasty weather.
Sometimes not many places if any to run to on that coast , another bookmark >
https://www.amn.pt/DGAM/Capitanias/P...as-Barras.aspx

Get round St Vincent and usually all calms down.
conachair is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 08:10   #143
Registered User
 
Exile's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Land of Disenchantment
Boat: Bristol 47.7
Posts: 5,607
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

@Breaking_Waves --

Excellent set of posts introducing some of us to the world of weather routing.
Exile is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 08:17   #144
Registered User
 
daletournier's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Australia
Boat: Catalina 470
Posts: 4,578
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Has anyone worked out their average speed to date?
daletournier is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 08:34   #145
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 10,594
Images: 75
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terje Vigen View Post
Also interesting to follow Nikki Henderson on her Facebook site.
This was posted 2 days ago:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/nikki.he...=page_internal
"As dawn broke we sailed into the Gulf Stream. It got warmer, morale improved and the sun has shined all day. Porridge, cashew yogurt fresh berries and peanut butter - breakfast of champions! It feels like we are on a health food show ........."


" It feels like we are on a health food show ."

and that my foreign friends is classic british middle class understatement!

translated it means ,the food is crap,we need more calories,bacon and eggs,corned beef , beans,,fried potatoes and some of those freeze dried steaks,finished off with treacle duff and custard like we get on the challenge yachts,three times a day,plus snacks and endless tea

it's going to be a long trip on those meagre rations nikki me luv,sorry for your loss
on the bright side becoming a vegan will make you a better person,so i'm told
atoll is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 08:52   #146
Registered User
 
Auspicious's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Chesapeake Bay
Boat: HR 40
Posts: 3,651
Send a message via Skype™ to Auspicious
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Quote:
Originally Posted by atoll View Post
i find it interesting because they are going against the conventional wisdom
As is often the case conventional wisdom changes slowly except where stupidity (<- sorry for the judgment) reigns, as in people staging in Lake Worth FL to hop to West End Bahamas. *sigh*

The northerly route west-to-east and southerly east-to-west as faded among the well informed for decades. Two big factors are boats that can sail comfortably upwind (close reach, not a beat) and often more comfortably than downwind. Second is the shift in the Gulf Stream across the Atlantic a good bit south of historical routes. This makes Bermuda-Azores-Falmouth a really good route in both directions. For Europeans heading to the Caribbean Canaries-St Lucia still makes sense. If heading to the US East Coast it makes no sense at all. I remember having this discussion back in 2005 and I was far from first.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ahun View Post
I wonder if this going to be the most influential sailing event of the century, where we throw away the parroting of certain restrictions of geological and time limitations regarding of sailing.
La Vagabonde is following best practice and not plowing any new ground.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeddyDiver View Post
Very good point Atoll! And anything less than 20kt and you are effectively becalmed.
Pardon? How do you get that? You should be able to generally reach boat speed about half of true wind down to really light air (single digits). Of course seas have an impact. So does the speed-power curve. In 16 kts you should be able to reach 7-8 kts from a close reach to a broad reach absent heavy seas (swell from storms can be an issue for thousands of miles) or crew that doesn't care.

Quote:
Originally Posted by john61ct View Post
Governmental level solutions, coordinated internationally are required, and massive publicity campaigns are required to overcome the corporate power lined up to keep fossil fuels the status quo.
I disagree. Individual efforts make a bigger difference. Unplug "stuff." Thermostat adjustments. All those instant-on, remote-controlled devices? Unplug them. Chargers. All the vampire devices. How many chargers do you have plugged in with nothing attached? Caulked your windows in the last few years? Checked insulation in the attic? Plugged airflow around doors, windows, and electrical outlets? What temp is your water heater set to? Heck, just combine errands into a single optimized trip. I recall a study that indicated a 30% reduction in energy consumption is easily attainable by Americans without any more significant impact than putting on a sweater when it is cold.

Government programs are rarely efficient. Remember recycling programs began with grassroots efforts in the 70s, not as government programs.

/rant over.
__________________
sail fast and eat well, dave
AuspiciousWorks
Beware cut and paste sailors
Auspicious is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 09:00   #147
Registered User
 
TeddyDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arctic Ocean
Boat: Under construction 35' ketch (and +3 smaller)
Posts: 2,773
Images: 2
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Auspicious View Post
..snip
Pardon? How do you get that? You should be able to generally reach boat speed about half of true wind down to really light air (single digits). Of course seas have an impact. So does the speed-power curve. In 16 kts you should be able to reach 7-8 kts from a close reach to a broad reach absent heavy seas (swell from storms can be an issue for thousands of miles) or crew that doesn't care.
.. snip
It's how it feels after several days of 35-40kt. Not saying the boat stops on the hole it's making.
TeddyDiver is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 09:16   #148
Moderator Emeritus
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Jacksonville/ out cruising
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 31,351
La Vagabonde's crossing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Auspicious View Post


I disagree. Individual efforts make a bigger difference. Unplug "stuff." Thermostat adjustments. All those instant-on, remote-controlled devices? Unplug them. Chargers. All the vampire devices. How many chargers do you have plugged in with nothing attached? Caulked your windows in the last few years? Checked insulation in the attic? Plugged airflow around doors, windows, and electrical outlets? What temp is your water heater set to? Heck, just combine errands into a single optimized trip. I recall a study that indicated a 30% reduction in energy consumption is easily attainable by Americans without any more significant impact than putting on a sweater when it is cold.



Government programs are rarely efficient. Remember recycling programs began with grassroots efforts in the 70s, not as government programs.



/rant over.


Couple that with the steady increasing size in houses even as families shrink, along with the fact that they are not built to be energy efficient as size is what sells now and energy efficient is expensive, so if you donít build efficient you can have more for less.

But a couple could easily reduce their consumption by at least half, ditch the SUV and Pickup truck, drive something efficient and live in a reasonably sized efficient house and you donít even need to put on a sweater.
a64pilot is offline  
Old 17-11-2019, 09:32   #149
Senior Cruiser
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 30,748
Images: 2
pirate Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Quote:
Originally Posted by atoll View Post
"As dawn broke we sailed into the Gulf Stream. It got warmer, morale improved and the sun has shined all day. Porridge, cashew yogurt fresh berries and peanut butter - breakfast of champions! It feels like we are on a health food show ........."


" It feels like we are on a health food show ."

and that my foreign friends is classic british middle class understatement!

translated it means ,the food is crap,we need more calories,bacon and eggs,corned beef , beans,,fried potatoes and some of those freeze dried steaks,finished off with treacle duff and custard like we get on the challenge yachts,three times a day,plus snacks and endless tea

it's going to be a long trip on those meagre rations nikki me luv,sorry for your loss
on the bright side becoming a vegan will make you a better person,so i'm told
__________________

You can't beat a people up for 75 years and have them say.. "I Love You.. ".
"It is better to die standing proud, than to live a lifetime on ones knees.."

A Politician Never Bites the Hand that Feeds..
boatman61 is online now  
Old 17-11-2019, 09:32   #150
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 10,594
Images: 75
Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Quote:
Originally Posted by a64pilot View Post
Couple that with the steady increasing size in houses even as families shrink, along with the fact that they are not built to be energy efficient as size is what sells now and energy efficient is expensive, so if you donít build efficient you can have more for less.

But a couple could easily reduce their consumption by at least half, ditch the SUV and Pickup truck, drive something efficient and live in a reasonably sized efficient house and you donít even need to put on a sweater.
to sell a house in the uk now, all properties require an energy rating inspection which generates a report giving the property an energy rating that has to be included with any sales info regarding the property.
atoll is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Big Splash of La Vagabonde new Outremer 45' Red Herring Multihull Sailboats 14 25-04-2017 13:57
SV La Vagabonde new ride Jadam79 Multihull Sailboats 184 24-10-2016 04:46
La Vagabonde - Hopeful Charity help in Pacific. gypsyvagabond Flotsam & Sailing Miscellany 1 12-12-2015 12:35

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:49.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.