Boats Less Than $30K Recent Noteworthy Finds

[Bleemus]

Originally Posted by old frog

I do not remember those lodging knees forward as being standard on a Cal 40. Someone has done some logical strengthening to that boat.

The Cal 40 was a great boat and some would say revolutionary. They were prone to a bit of oil canning in the bow and many owners added stringers between forward ribs to stiffen this area. Looks like they attempted something similar here.

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by Steady Hand

I saw the link for shutterfly "Sell your boat on shutterfly" and clicked that link.
Try THIS link:
https://sellyourboatnow.shutterfly.com/17773

I only posted the BEST photos here on CF that look nice.

The Shutterfly listing has MANY more that show the details of condition (some water stains in interior, dirty areas, some corrosion, questionable wood trim condition etc.). That is why I asked.

Still looks good considering her age to my eye! but then I am older than the boat.

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by Bleemus

The Cal 40 was a great boat and some would say revolutionary. They were prone to a bit of oil canning in the bow and many owners added stringers between forward ribs to stiffen this area. Looks like they attempted something similar here.

Absolutely great boat as long as you are not the crew who has to sleep in the bow going upwind in a steep chop

[Steadman Uhlich]

Southern Cross 31, 1981

Asking Price (Oct 2016) $19,995
Location: Annapolis

I came across this boat today while looking for more boats for this thread. From what I can see in the photos, it looks to be in much better condition than MOST boats of this age (1981) and looks surprisingly clean for a boat at this price point.

You can find a very good review about this boat type on bluewaterboats.org.

The following information is from the sale listing on Craigs List:
31 FT 1981 SOUTHERN CROSS
___________

Hull Type: Long keel w/transom hung rudder
Rig Type: Cutter
LOA: 31.00' / 9.45m
LWL: 25.00' / 7.62m
Beam: 9.50' / 2.90m
Listed SA: 496 ft2 / 46.08 m2
Draft (max.): 4.50' / 1.37m Draft (min.)
Displacement: 13600 lbs./ 6169 kgs.
Ballast: 4180 lbs. / 1896 kgs.
Sail Area/Disp.1: 13.98
Bal./Disp.: 30.73%
Disp./Len.: 388.57
Engine: Yanmar 3GM30 3 Cyl 30 HP Diesel
Designer: Thomas Gilmer
Builder: C. E. Ryder (USA)
Construction: Fiberglass
First Built: 1975
# Built: 150

RIG AND SAIL PARTICULARS KEY
I(IG): 36.50' / 11.13m
J: 15.50' / 4.72m
P: 31.50' / 9.60m
E: 13.50' / 4.11m
SA(Fore.): 282.88 ft2 / 26.28 m2
SA(Main): 212.63 ft2 / 19.75 m2
Sail Area (100% fore+main triangles): 495.50 ft2 / 46.03 m2
Sail Area/Disp.2 13.96
Est. Forestay Length.: 39.65' / 12.09m

BUILDERS (past & present): C. E. Ryder
DESIGNER: Thomas Gillmer

Main and Foresail Covers
Dual Battery
Pressure Water System - 12 Volt
Dual Sink Package S.S. with Hand Pump
Water Heater - 6 Gallon

Boat is in Excellent condition. New bottom paint. Wood been reconditioned. Engine starts and runs very good. Sails in Good condition.

[Scout 30]

I've always been intrigued by this line of boats:

https://daytona.craigslist.org/boa/5827894374.html

[Steadman Uhlich]

Originally Posted by Scout 30

I've always been intrigued by this line of boats:

https://daytona.craigslist.org/boa/5827894374.html

Good find. I wonder if that boat is the one discussed weeks ago that was to be auctioned or sold for charity in northern Florida, as I recall due to death of owner.

We can't see much from the listing, but I would check it out ASAP if I were in the area. I would prefer a Freedom 28 over the more common Catalina 27 etc. I like the Freedom boats with only two exceptions so far that do not appeal to me. So I would be inclined to investigate this even if priced at three time should the asking price. But as always, Caveat Emptor!

[Steadman Uhlich]

Freedom 28 Cat Ketch

DRAFT = 2.5 feet minimum (Centerboard up)

The Freedom 28 Cat Ketch is a small recreational keelboat, built predominantly of fiberglass. It has an unstayed cat ketch rig, a transom-hung rudder and a swing-up centerboard. It displaces 7,000 lb (3,175 kg) and carries 3,800 lb (1,724 kg) of lead ballast.[1][2]

The spars are made from carbon fiber. The initial models were produced with wrap-around sleeve-type sails and wishbone booms, but these were later changed to more conventional sails and booms.[1]

The boat is fitted with a Japanese Yanmar 2GMF diesel engine of 15 hp (11 kW) and has a fuel tank with a capacity of 18 U.S. gallons (68 L; 15 imp gal). It also has a 30 U.S. gallons (110 L; 25 imp gal) water tank.[1]

The boat has a PHRF racing average handicap of 204 with a high of 186 and low of 240. It has a hull speed of 6.8 kn (12.59 km/h).[2]

---------
Recent Find
Freedom 28 Cat Ketch boats vary in condition and price.
Here is a link (Oct 2016) for one in Florida with asking price just $3,000.

https://daytona.craigslist.org/boa/5827894374.html

Another on Yachtworld is asking $9,995.

The photos below are from a mix of boats of this model to illustrate features and design.

[old frog]

Originally Posted by Steady Hand

I saw the link for shutterfly "Sell your boat on shutterfly" and clicked that link.
Try THIS link:
https://sellyourboatnow.shutterfly.com/17773

I only posted the BEST photos here on CF that look nice.

The Shutterfly listing has MANY more that show the details of condition (some water stains in interior, dirty areas, some corrosion, questionable wood trim condition etc.). That is why I asked.

Thanks for posting the photo links. I also could not get the CL photo link to work. Acknowledged on the photos. The listing does not have a flashing presentation. In checking a few things, it appears the seller is a octogenarian. Someone else (i.e. an offspring or grandkid), with less involvement in the boat may be helping with the listing. But, the photos appear accurate. The "flashing" shiny ones and hide many things. IMHO, the bottom line on the H-38 is the strength to her bones. The hull & deck laminates on those boats were/are durable & the bolts keeping things together were usually good/top quality & it was not uncommon for monel to have been used.

On the Cal, they were & still are fast. I find the knees an interesting addition. It would be interesting to know the background as to when & why they were added. The

[Steadman Uhlich]

Bahama Sandpiper Cat Ketch

Chuck Paine Hybrid design of Sharpie + Catboat
Centerboard. (Designed to be trailered, with beam of 8')
Free Standing Masts (wood)
DRAFT = 1' 6" board up, 4' 6" board down

Asking Price = $16,500
Location: Bayport Long Island NY

October 25, 2016 Craig's List: 24ft. Sailboat Bahama Sandpiper Cat Ketch

1984 Morris Yachts Bahama Sandpiper Cat Ketch 24' LOA 8' beam 20"/48" draft. 4000lb. Displ.Solid FG w/ Sitka Spruce Spars 2003 8hp Yamaha hi thrust Elec. Refit in 2011. VHF. Excel cockpit and interior cushions. Awlgripped deck, cabin, cockpit. Bottom job. Well maintained bright work. Beautiful interior. 5 opening bronze ports Dodger w/screen. VG sails. Fully Found.

NOTES:
I found a very interesting review article about this design written by Naval Architect Chuck Paine (the designer). In the illustrated article, he mentioned several insights he had after designing this boat. He mentions the favorable design characteristics of Sharpie and Catboat designs that influenced this design. He also wrote that he learned more from THIS design than any others he designed. He also wrote about what he sees as the shortcomings of this particular design. I found his article interesting to read and learned some things from it. I recommend it to anyone who is researching catboats or Sharpies. Here is a link: http://www.chuckpaine.com/pdf/24bahamasandpiper24.pdf

[Steadman Uhlich]

Grampian Classic 31, 1965

Steady NOTE: This is the first of this brand and model that I have posted and it is posted here to represent the type or class. I make no comment on the condition of this particular boat, as with any boat at this very low price point "Caveat Emptor!" But, I hope this post may (like others in this thread) bring up possibilities for others to investigate. I have NO connection to this boat or seller.

Asking Price = $1,500 OBO
LOCATION = Baltimore
DRAFT = 4' 4"

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=753

Listing: Grampian Classic 31 Sailboat

Volvo MD 2002B freshwater cooled diesel. 2 head sails, roller curling gear, electronic depth, VHF, CD, claw and Danforths anchors, fresh paint and bright work. 1500 obo

[Steadman Uhlich]

Grampian 30, 1974

Asking Price = $14,900
Location = Wisconsin

Steady NOTES: I am posting this listing because this is the first of this model of boat that I have enjoyed seeing. Because it is a popular brand, I looked for a good example to illustrate this thread. I think this particular boat is an outstanding example to use as an illustration. Why? Because this boat has been completely refinished, and from the photos it appears like new. Take a look.

For someone looking for a very nice condition boat, at a lower price point, this may be a good choice. But, as with any boat, Caveat Emptor. I have NO connection to the boat or seller. I am simply posting this listing because this boat caught my eye (because of its "like new" appearance) and as it may help a CF member.

NOTE 2: I am posting 10 photos of this particular boat (from sale listing) because it looks like new. The photo of the boat at anchor is from a different source and may not be the same boat.
___________

GRAMPIAN 30 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com

Cruising World Review: Grampian 30 Sailboat Review | Cruising World
________
Sale Listing (October 2016)

1974 Grampian 30 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

From sale listing description:
"This is a fresh water vessel and the current owner decided to commission an extremely detailed rebuild. Canadian built to a high standard it now has: engine rebuild, hull painted, all wiring and lights replaced, new circuit boards, and a custom finished interior"

Additional Specs, Equipment and Information:

Specs
Builder: Grampian
Designer: Mc Gruer
Keel: Fin

Dimensions
LOA: 29 ft 9 in
Beam: 9 ft 6 in
LWL: 25 ft 6 in
Maximum Draft: 4 ft 8 in
Displacement: 8600 lbs
Ballast: 3870 lbs

Engines
Total Power: 30 HP

Engine 1:
Engine Brand: Univeral/Medalists
Year Built: 1974
Engine Model: ATOMIC 4
Engine Type: Inboard
Engine/Fuel Type: Gas/Petrol
Engine Hours: 100
Propeller: 3 blade propeller
Drive Type: Direct Drive
Engine Power: 30 HP


Tanks
Fresh Water Tanks: 1 (20 Gallons)
Fuel Tanks: 1 (18 Gallons)
Holding Tanks: 1

Electrical Equipment
Electrical Circuit: 110V

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by Steady Hand

Grampian Classic 31, 1965

Steady NOTE: This is the first of this brand and model that I have posted and it is posted here to represent the type or class. I make no comment on the condition of this particular boat, as with any boat at this very low price point "Caveat Emptor!" But, I hope this post may (like others in this thread) bring up possibilities for others to investigate. I have NO connection to this boat or seller.

Asking Price = $1,500 OBO
LOCATION = Baltimore
DRAFT = 4' 4"

GRAMPIAN CLASSIC 31 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com

Listing: Grampian Classic 31 Sailboat

Volvo MD 2002B freshwater cooled diesel. 2 head sails, roller curling gear, electronic depth, VHF, CD, claw and Danforths anchors, fresh paint and bright work. 1500 obo

Another sweet ol' little boat going for free... (or maybe a typo?)... and one that is worth a few bucks for whatever it needs...IMO

[Steadman Uhlich]

Originally Posted by Don C L

Another sweet ol' little boat going for free... (or maybe a typo?)... and one that is worth a few bucks for whatever it needs...IMO

?? What do you mean "for free?"

The sale listing says $1,500 OBO.

Granted, that is VERY low for a boat this size.

[Steadman Uhlich]

O'Day 32 (Sloop or ketch)

Center Cockpit
Keel/Centerboard
DRAFT = 44" or 3.33' with board up

Steady NOTE: This post includes photos from several boats and a current sale listing, but the photos may not be from that sale listing. These photos are used to illustrate the design, and the sale listing is provided to give an idea of current street price and availability. I have NO connection to the boat or seller. I always suggest "Caveat Emptor" and for you to do your own research on a particular model and boat. This post is simply to ILLUSTRATE what is available as types of boats that fit the criteria for this thread topic.
________

O'DAY 32 KETCH sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com
_______
Sale Listing (Oct 25, 2016)
Asking Price = $7,500
32' O'day Diesel Ketch Rig Sailboat with free whaler
____________
Specifications

Hull Type: Keel/Cbrd.
Rig Type: Masthead Sloop
LOA: 31.58’/9.63m
LWL: 27.29’/8.32m
Beam: 10.50’/3.20m
Listed SA: 470 ft2/43.66 m2
Draft (max.): 7.08’/2.16m
Draft (min.): 3.33’/1.01m
Disp. 11000 lbs./ 4990 kgs.
Ballast: 3575 lbs. / 1622 kgs.
SA/Disp.: 15.26 Bal./Disp.:32.51%
Disp./Len.:241.62
Construct.: FG
Bal. type: Lead
First Built: 1975
Last Built: 1979
Built: 143

AUXILIARY POWER (orig. equip.)

Make: Universal/Westebeke (diesel)
Model: Atomic 4 / 30 (491)
Type: Gas/Diesel
HP: 30
TANKS
Water: 40 gals./151 ltrs.
Fuel: 28 gals./ 106 ltrs.

RUNNING AND STANDING RIGGING SPECIFICATIONS

I: 38.9’/11.89m J: 12.75’/3.89m
P: 34.00’/10.36m E: 13.00’/3.96m
SA(Fore.): 248.63 ft2/23.10 m2
SA(Main): 221.00 ft2/20.53 m2
Total(calc.)SA: 469.63 ft2/43.63 m2
DL ratio: 241.62
SA/Disp: 15.24
Est. Forestay Length: 41.03’/12.51m

[Steadman Uhlich]

Hallberg Rassy Mistress 32

DRAFT = 5' 5"
_____________
Manufacturer Notes:
"The Mistress 32 was built during 1969 -1974 in a total of 110 hulls.

The Mistress 32 was probably Hallberg-Rassy's most racing oriented model. The Mistress was a successful IOR halftonner and boat number one did very well in the 1968 Half Ton Cup as well as victories in the Baltic Race and Skaw Race. Her elegant lines make the Mistress attractive still today."

Hallberg-Rassy 32 - Mistress
________

Recent Sale Listing:
Hallberg Rassy
Asking Price = $6,999
Location = Long Island NY

From the listing: "17hp Volvo Diesel engine. Fixed keel with 5' draft. Sails are in good condition. Sleeps six comfortably. Boat is in water and ready to show. Only 110 of this model made. Newly painted deck. Negotiable"
_________

PHOTOS
The photos below are from a mix of sources to ILLUSTRATE what this model of boat looks like. The photos are NOT all from the sale listing above.