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Old 04-04-2014, 14:00   #106
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Everyone in the military is paid a monthly salary, the money is budgeted and spent the same whether they're jumping out of an airplane, sleeping, training or playing video games. The only other possible added expense might be fuel, but they have to fly "X" amount of training hours per month anyways, so all they have to do is mark this off as training and the net result is the quarterly OPTAR budget is virtually unchanged.

Let's not worry about expense in this case. If money becomes an issue, we can always cancel a few golf trips or family vacations by the guy using Air Force One.
HAAAAAAAA Fat chance!!!

Seriously though. Anyone that was in the military knows that aircraft will fly in circles for training if there is nothing better to do. Looks like now they will have something better to do.
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I just didn't know my "bailout" plan I advised would be the US taxpayer.
As the most wealthy nation that has ever existed, I'm pretty sure we can afford it.
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They can raise my taxes a few cents to cover this and other rescue mission. America is great because we do these types of things and do them well.
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the guys over in algeria are safe as well,a big thumbs up for all the rescue services,who are frequently the unsung heros,and recieve little credit for the great job they do


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Best of luck to Eric, Charlotte and family. Boats can be replaced.
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Re: Forum Member's boat and daughter in trouble off of Mexico

There is an old saying, "common things are common." From the mother's description in her blog, the 13 month old child was rolling 1 1/2 revolutions with each wave for days on end when trying to sleep. I've never been seasick in thousands of hours on the ocean, but the incidence of seasickness under those conditions for a young child would likely approach 90%. With seasickness comes dehydration, very dangerous for a small child. The medics could have provided rehydration, or the seas might have calmed and allowed the child to improve. Likewise, from the described bruises and banging around the salon a concussion injury would be a concern- the child vomits for a day or two and acts strangely then recovers.

This is all speculation without any finger pointing, having taken numerous children off shore (mine had to be eight to go offshore fishing) for a day even in mild conditions seasickness is definitely a consideration. No one is immune to seasickness, I've even talked to merchant mariners with decades of experience that succumbed eventually.

I have only best wishes for Eric and his family. They are the kind of people that make America great and I have utmost respect for the reasoning behind this adventure and for the extensive planning Rebel Heart put into the voyage. I doubt he has much concern for his boat- his child's illness, sleep deprivation and exhaustion would change a person's thinking and perspective, and after reading his posts I would be shocked if his boat was not fully insured. High regards especially to the mother for attempting this challenge for the potential benefit to the children of experiencing the South Pacific.
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They can raise my taxes a few cents to cover this and other rescue mission. America is great because we do these types of things and do them well.


Perfectly happy to see this country spend our tax dollars to help OUR citizens. Notice how no one ever complains when we send half our military to some third world country to bail them out after some disaster be it natural or self inflicted. Help one american citizen in need of urgent medical care in the middle of the pacific and we get a whole train of people complaining that it's too expensive?
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Everyone in the military is paid a monthly salary, the money is budgeted and spent the same whether they're jumping out of an airplane, sleeping, training or playing video games. The only other possible added expense might be fuel, but they have to fly "X" amount of training hours per month anyways, so all they have to do is mark this off as training and the net result is the quarterly OPTAR budget is virtually unchanged.

Let's not worry about expense in this case. If money becomes an issue, we can always cancel a few golf trips or family vacations by the guy using Air Force One.
Let's just say I disagree that everyone in the military is off playing video games waiting for someone to need a rescue. Saying that people are on fixed salaries, so it doesn't matter what they do as it costs the same isn't correct. There is no way to explain this without oversimplifying it, but if you're using medical resources in one place, you're not using them somewhere else. And sometimes you do need them somewhere else.

I'm not worried about the expense. I'm just not pretending there isn't one. This is a side issue anyway, and not an important one.

The important thing here is that things are working out for Eric and his family. It's great news, and I'm sure we're all happy to get it.
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Damn, I was really waiting to see this was a tasteless april fools joke.
One can only marvel at the US Coast Guard to reach out hundreds of miles.
Best wishes for a happy ending.
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I simply could not believe at first moment that they had such a bad luck.
They are so fine people...

I believe that everything will find happy ending

And, US Forces are great!!!
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There is an old saying, "common things are common." From the mother's description in her blog, the 13 month old child was rolling 1 1/2 revolutions with each wave for days on end when trying to sleep. I've never been seasick in thousands of hours on the ocean, but the incidence of seasickness under those conditions for a young child would likely approach 90%. With seasickness comes dehydration, very dangerous for a small child. The medics could have provided rehydration, or the seas might have calmed and allowed the child to improve. Likewise, from the described bruises and banging around the salon a concussion injury would be a concern- the child vomits for a day or two and acts strangely then recovers.

This is all speculation without any finger pointing, having taken numerous children off shore (mine had to be eight to go offshore fishing) for a day even in mild conditions seasickness is definitely a consideration. No one is immune to seasickness, I've even talked to merchant mariners with decades of experience that succumbed eventually.

I have only best wishes for Eric and his family. They are the kind of people that make America great and I have utmost respect for the reasoning behind this adventure and for the extensive planning Rebel Heart put into the voyage. I doubt he has much concern for his boat- his child's illness, sleep deprivation and exhaustion would change a person's thinking and perspective, and after reading his posts I would be shocked if his boat was not fully insured. High regards especially to the mother for attempting this challenge for the potential benefit to the children of experiencing the South Pacific.
I don't think it is useful or appropriate to speculate on what could or could not have made their child unwell. I guarantee they will tell us in great and honest detail when the time is right.

Two days before, their child was asking for some cake she had smelt her mom baking overnight. Doesn't sound too seasick to me. But now I'm speculating too.
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Help one american citizen in need of urgent medical care in the middle of the pacific and we get a whole train of people complaining that it's too expensive?

Who said it was too expensive?

If you can name two, I'll send you a beer. Use the exact quote.
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Damn, I was really waiting to see this was a tasteless april fools joke.
One can only marvel at the US Coast Guard to reach out hundreds of miles.
Best wishes for a happy ending.
'Twasn't the Coast Guard - it was the Air National Guard.
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We can start a thread about who doesn't want to get rescued and is expected to scuttle their boats . All the "I told u so" people will be be included as well. Our list has at least 3, maybe 4 so far. Will spare you the public shame but you know who you are.

Can't you just wish the best for Eric and not talk all the crap.
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Who said it was too expensive?

If you can name two, I'll send you a beer. Use the exact quote.
Give it up.............really.....
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