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Old 16-11-2012, 17:56   #481
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Re: Merged Threads: HMS Bounty

Sorry reed1v, if you actually believe that being between Cape Hatteras and the eye of a hurricane is viable plan, please never carry passengers for hire.
The captain screwed the pooch and people died, very simple, very preventable.
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. . . Sailing a bit southeast from Mystic would have lead the Bounty clear of the northeast quadrant. If your on a leaky boat(which includes almost all wooden ships) your pumps rely on the engines working unless you got a big crew to handle large manual pumps.
It gets curiouser and curiouser as the the character in "Through the Looking Glass" mused.

Given that "wooden boats leak" - why would anybody only rely on one source of power for the "pumps?" Personally, I would have had one or two auxiliary gensets handy and capable to supplying power to the pumps besides the main engine.
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Old 16-11-2012, 23:20   #483
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Two items:

1. The boat sunk due to the engines dying and thus killing the bilge pumps. The hurricane did not sink the boat.

2. His strategy was to pass east of the hurricane, and in fact was doing so successfully.

Best guess so far is contaminated fuel that either fed water/air/or particles into the fuel lines. Issue will be when were the fuel tanks polished. The Bounty was a leaky boat to begin with. There is also the question why the Coast Guard did not fly out high capacity pumps to the Bounty. Maybe they no longer do rescues during bad weather?
Sorry. Not so. Bounty's on board engineer states 90 kts of breeze and 3 story seas a couple of days out.
Captain was trying to squeeze to the WEST of Frankenstorm between Sandy and Carolina coast in the navigable semicircle. Conditions at the time of the rescue were greatly reduced to 40kts.
So you're saying had there not been a storm with the wind and sea state decribed by ships engineer they would have sunk anyway? Leaky boat was caused by the storm. Saying the Storm did not sink the Bounty is like saying the demise of nuclear reactors in Japan were due to faulty planning/manufacturing design and not the Tsunami itself. These events are ALL connected to each other. ame with the Bounty. Domino effect.
Had the $$$ date in Florida been 2 weeks later, doubt they would have headed out. And if they did, it would not be becasue they were safer at sea. At least not safer for the humans.
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Hmmm... I didnt know boats sank just because the engines die...learn something every day I guess! He must have planned on going a long way east.
also, I heard the CG used rescue swimmers...? To them it's about the people, no saving a ship in a patently "unsafe voyage".
If he saw this weather pic and still decided to go, he needed to have his head read. For me, if I have a death wish this would be a good time to go out and "try and skirt a storm".
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Also, have read several accounts both on both HMS Bounty site and on FB that the generator, which ran the pumps, failed.
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Also, have read several accounts both on both HMS Bounty site and on FB that the generator, which ran the pumps, failed.
the ship was configured to use the engines to run the pumps if the generator failed.
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There will be a show on the weather channel on Wednesday @8pm est about the coast guard rescue on the bounty.
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There will be a show on the weather channel on Wednesday @8pm est about the coast guard rescue on the bounty.
It will be interesting to see if it's investigative journalism or another Weather Channel docu-drama. I betting heavy on the latter.

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December 5th at 8 p.m., not tonight. The promo is standard WC hype. I hope Ken Burns does another one.
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Re: Merged Threads: HMS Bounty

Here's an article on ABC News, translated from German, that gives a bit more perspective of what went on before and during the Bounty's final voyage. The description of events in the engine room are particularly of interest: SpiegelOnliine.

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Here's an article on ABC News, translated from German, that gives a bit more perspective of what went on before and during the Bounty's final voyage. The description of events in the engine room are particularly of interest: SpiegelOnliine.

While the article spends a lot of time trashing the Capitan for the decision to leave (like all of us), I also have been waiting to hear more about the details of the engine room/systems. I never believed the boat sinking was completely due to the storm.

I get the feeling from the article that the engineer wasn't a ship experienced one and that there had been recent fuel tank work done.

So far I haven't read anything that suggests the boat was taking on more water due to hull damage from the storm. It almost seems this boat was sinking in general and there just happened to be a storm going on outside.

The sinking and the decision to leave to beat the storm may not be related at all.
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Not to mention that article tarnishes Bligh, who in reality and in the standards of the day was an enlightened captain but could not compete with the delights of Tahiti and its inhabitants,

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I'm glad the story finally came out. The question in my mind is why would anyone who knew the risk was so high, put the welfare of a ship over that of the crew? With 10 meter seas (33 ft.), I can see how the water filling the ship was a problem. If it was washing over the decks, water has a way of finding a way in. I imagine the broken gauge on the fuel tank being almost impossible to see when a boat is jumping around so much that you are clinging on for dear life.
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Re: Merged Threads: HMS Bounty

Bligh would have ensured he was never in that situation.... If he had the weather forecasting we have today.
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