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11-09-2014, 10:46
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#31
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
Here on the Pacific coast stuff washes up all the time.. (Before the Japan Tsunami). For a while it was thousands of Running shoes. Obviously they came from containers. What is weird is human feet continue to be found on beaches.....
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11-09-2014, 10:56
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#32
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Location: Alameda, CA
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
anyone know if the original transport vessel / company is libel for these containers?
if they lose one and i strike it while cruising resulting in damage / loss are those losses recoverable from the aforementioned shipping company / content owner?
i have to think that, assuming i dont die, the evidence of the container's presence and identification is verifiable by whomever comes to scoop me out of the water and therefore corroborated evidence in a claim / law suit.
-steve
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11-09-2014, 11:06
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#33
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Long Range Cruiser
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
Stuff washes ashore on beaches all the time. But have you ever seen a container wash up? Or heard of one wash up? Unless its righ close to the accident, its so unlikely that I havent heard or seen any on any of the beaches Ive lived.
Nor seen any at sea.
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11-09-2014, 11:21
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
I just read this report recently, How Many Shipping Containers Are Really Lost At Sea? - gCaptain Maritime & Offshore News
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Containers Lost – 2008 to 2013
For the combined six year period from 2008 to 2013, the WSC estimates that there were 546 containers lost on average each year, not counting for catastrophic events. Counting for catastrophic events, an average of 1,679 containers were lost each year over the six years.
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The difference between 546 and 1,679 was because of two large container ships that were lost about 5,200 containers in total. One ship was in the Indian Ocean and the other down in New Zealand.
Given that some where around 120 MILLION containers are moved around in 2013, 546 or 1,679 being lost is a very small percentage.
Later,
Dan
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11-09-2014, 11:59
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
The empty weight of a small 20' container is just under 5,000 lbs, take a lot of tennis shoes to float that. I've packed several and none I've seen were even close to air tight, they are essentially identical to over the road tractor trailers as far as the door is concerned, so they would fill with water pretty fast
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11-09-2014, 12:03
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
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Originally Posted by MarkJ
Stuff washes ashore on beaches all the time. But have you ever seen a container wash up? Or heard of one wash up? Unless its righ close to the accident, its so unlikely that I havent heard or seen any on any of the beaches Ive lived.
Nor seen any at sea.
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good point!
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11-09-2014, 12:18
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
Electronic goods packed in styrofoam is an example of a container that will float for a long time. Floaters are rare, but of course they exist. What more is there to say on the matter?
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11-09-2014, 12:20
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
25 plus years ago we were sailing back from Hawaii and my Son was doing the steering as both autopilots had gone south. I was in the bunk but I had a small compass mounted beside my bunk and I noticed we were off course so I came up to check it out and my Son had changed course to look at a bird that was standing on something. I grabbed the wheel and turned away from it and we passed by the corner of a container completely submerged except for the corner the bird was perched on. Only time I had ever seen one but its always on my mind when doing a crossing.
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11-09-2014, 13:36
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#39
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
I know of 2 sinkings where containers were thought to be the cause. 1 power, 1 sail.
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11-09-2014, 15:13
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
How about Cheeky Rafiki? Guess no info will ever show up.
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11-09-2014, 15:21
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#41
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
I've seen one. Seen heaps of logs and other stuff, but one container in over 40,000 NM....
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11-09-2014, 16:35
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
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Originally Posted by transmitterdan
If 85% were empty then they sank most likely. The story says as much.
This is the single biggest loss ever. How one can extrapolate from 500 to 10,000 is not obvious.
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Because it wasn't stated that it was the single biggest loss ever. Never heard that before.
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11-09-2014, 17:33
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#43
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Location: Boston
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
One would think that the actuarial department of the commercial shipping insurers would have an excellent estimate of the number and type of lost containers. Are there no actuaries that are also sailors? Erk, if that were actually to be the case, it would be quite a scary statistic!
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11-09-2014, 20:34
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#44
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
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Originally Posted by rognvald
With all the miles sailed by CF members worldwide, has anyone on this site ever seen or hit a container? I have not.
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Here, posted a couple years ago. http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ner-86018.html
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11-09-2014, 22:02
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually
Quote:
Originally Posted by hpeer
Because it wasn't stated that it was the single biggest loss ever. Never heard that before.
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Then you must not have read the story. "It's the biggest recorded loss of containers overboard in a single incident."
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