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Old 31-07-2020, 19:11   #91
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Have not yet had an owner question my watchkeeping on a solo delivery.. they tend to be both realistic and pragmatic.
Your kidding, right? An owner would knowingly let you shove off alone in their boat for a multi-day run? Insured?
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You Sailors are a tough lot. Write your own rules. Especially the ones with 1000s/10,000s of posts.

Im truly surprised. Was not expecting this to be considers responsible watch standing. Oh well.
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Yea, it's the guy who stands the I between watch to round out overall watch schedule.
The 'dog watches' are 4pm to 6pm and 6pm to 8pm..
They were created to enable watchkeepers to get a hot evening meal.
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If you were the owner of a yacht thinking about entrusting someone with its well being, would you consider that to be a responsible watch schedule?
I am the owner of a yacht, and I do entrust it to someone (me). If it's not a passage I'm confident about, then I won't go.
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Your kidding, right? An owner would knowingly let you shove off alone in their boat for a multi-day run? Insured?
All the way from Perth to Port Huon, Tasmania..
He had liability insurance, needed it for the marina I delivered it to..
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The 'dog watches' are 4pm to 6pm and 6pm to 8pm..
They were created to enable watchkeepers to get a hot evening meal.
Right. The guy at the bottom of the totem pole.
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All the way from Perth to Port Huon, Tasmania..
He had liability insurance, needed it for the marina I delivered it to..
Liability insurance won't cover damage to the owners boat, just for the marina.

I have no idea what distance this is, but assuming more than a couple days, the insurance company was aware and signed off the vessel was being single handed, basically accepting liability (and indemnifying you and the owner) for an accident caused by a Rule 5 infraction?
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Right. The guy at the bottom of the totem pole.
Funny enough in the Navy they were quite popular..
4hrs off 2hrs on then 2 off again.. either way it gave one time to do other things than sleep.
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Few boats these days can heave to properly, most fore reach at varying speeds for example on a Sigma 33 I had trouble keeping it down to 3kts with 3rd reef in the main and 1/4 jib.. Less and she was uncontrollable.
You have a cat so dropping sails and drifting downwind stern 3/4 to the wind I guess could be classed NUC as you state, just be well lit.
But.. many will disagree..
btw, you are quite correct

as defined by colregs, a vessel is 'underway' unless alongside, at anchor or aground. so (technically) drifting NUC counts a 'underway' - although not 'making way'

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nb : i'd still be fairly confident that while hove to, any other vessel would be overtaking

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It is because they are "cur-tailed."

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Liability insurance won't cover damage to the owners boat, just for the marina.

I have no idea what distance this is, but assuming more than a couple days, the insurance company was aware and signed off the vessel was being single handed, basically accepting liability (and indemnifying you and the owner) for an accident caused by a Rule 5 infraction?
Its 2500 miles.. as for the insurance company being aware I have not a clue.. thats the owners choice and responsibility as stated in my contract.. In Red.
Mind I have had full cover for solo transats in the past, they cover for the first 400nm from shore then it kicks in again as you reach 400nm from the next shore so St Martin to Azores your not covered for the 1200nm in the middle but Azores to the Continent its full cover..
Guess its down to your claims record and history.
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Mike, you're a reasonable guy. What are the responsible watch keeping practices a single hander woildnuse on a 7 day passage that you'd recommend for the OP whether they have two or more persons on the boat?
I think I already outlined our approach to watch keeping earlier. I believe it is safe for both my crew and those around us.

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3197565

As I said, I don't single hand. It just seems too hard to me. But neither do I condemn those who do. And I have not observed single-handers to be less responsible in general. I certainly know of no data that suggests single-handers have a higher incidence of accidents. If you do, please share.

Making claims of "responsible" or "irresponsible" assumes there is a right way and a wrong way. Most cruisers I know are not so rigid or black&white in their thinking.
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I think I already outlined our approach to watch keeping earlier. I believe it is safe for both my crew and those around us.

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3197565

As I said, I don't single hand. It just seems too hard to me. But neither do I condemn those who do. And I have not observed single-handers to be less responsible in general. I certainly know of no data that suggests single-handers have a higher incidence of accidents. If you do, please share.

Making claims of "responsible" or "irresponsible" assumes there is a right way and a wrong way. Most cruisers I know are not so rigid or black&white in their thinking.
The post before yours from boatman61 states he did a 2400 nm delivery of someone else's boat single-handed. And he has no idea if he's covered by insurance. And yet the very next post - the one quoted above - more or less says "I've never seen singlehanders act more irresponsible than other cruisers."

Call me rigid but standing a proper watch while underway is not optional in my book. Singlehanded or crewed. It's like saying it's okay to drive impaired if it's not possible to get a ride home from the bar. Lack of an accident is not evidence of responsible behavior.
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...Call me rigid but standing a proper watch while underway is not optional in my book. Singlehanded or crewed. It's like saying it's okay to drive impaired if it's not possible to get a ride home from the bar. Lack of an accident is not evidence of responsible behavior.
OK, you're rigid.

No, it's not the same. Impaired, or standing a safe watch, is not like being pregnant. It's not a binary condition. This is what you seem unwilling to see. There are vast shades of grey here.
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Old 01-08-2020, 19:26   #105
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We take turns while sailing.



When we anchor we sleep both. Except if we are anchored in a doggy place and one of us keeps an anchor watch in the cockpit. But we only ever use such anchorages till first light.


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