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Chotu · 25-10-2023, 19:51

Curious to hear what everyone thinks of these new monohull cruising scows that are coming available:

https://www.yachtingworld.com/yachts...-market-148964

Orion Jim · 25-10-2023, 20:32

I find them hideous. I tend to be a traditionalist with a deep appreciation of technical advances in build quality and scantlings. If it doesn’t look graceful it’s not my ideal.
The Amel 50’s features in a graceful design would be my ideal.

AKA-None · 25-10-2023, 20:57

Looks like a small pogo or a small pogo enlarged depending on how you view it

Fore and Aft · 25-10-2023, 21:53

Chotu, I love them. No doubt my retirement project will be a scow bow trailer sailer. Something along the lines of a McGregor 25 but with more sex appeal.
Just check out this Raison 29-foot scow.
Cheers

simer · 26-10-2023, 03:24

Obviously the mini Transat design conclusions found its way into production boats.

Bowdrie · 26-10-2023, 09:21

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Originally Posted by Orion Jim

I find them hideous.

Haha, classic understatement.

After reading the article in Yachting World my suspicions were confirmed.
All those "designers" need to be rounded-up by Chief Inspector Clouseau and thrown in the Bastille.

**Don C L** · 26-10-2023, 22:30

I wonder how they perform in any kind of swell, especially going upwind. I've only seen scows racing on lakes.

Tin Tin · 26-10-2023, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Don C L

I wonder how they perform in any kind of swell, especially going upwind. I've only seen scows racing on lakes.

Per part of the article in the OP:
".... when heeled these boats present a relatively narrow immersed section that doesn’t slam into a head sea with the intensity that the flat saucer-like hull might suggest. At the same time they have enormous righting moment, which gives power to punch over big waves and reduces the total time spent sailing to windward...."

**Don C L** · 26-10-2023, 23:33

oh yeah, I guess I should read!

So you have to be heeled to get the benefit of the finer entry and not slam, but the shape of the hull resists heeling. I really can't imagine sleeping in it going upwind, but I could be wrong.

Chotu · 27-10-2023, 00:05

My concerns were drifting toward ultimate inverted stability.

It obviously has a righting moment curve a lot more like a catamaran.

Once these go over to 180 it kind of looks like they would stay there.

Tin Tin · 27-10-2023, 01:54

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Originally Posted by Chotu

My concerns were drifting toward ultimate inverted stability.

It obviously has a righting moment curve a lot more like a catamaran.

Once these go over to 180 it kind of looks like they would stay there.

The photo in the OP is a foiler, so I guess once on its side it would stay there or invert, might need a safety float at the mast top like a Hobie Wave catamaran.

danstanford · 27-10-2023, 02:36

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Originally Posted by Chotu

My concerns were drifting toward ultimate inverted stability.

It obviously has a righting moment curve a lot more like a catamaran.

Once these go over to 180 it kind of looks like they would stay there.

Great observation, and it is worthy of more investigation. Does anyone know?

**Don C L** · 27-10-2023, 09:48

My guess is that they have a GZ curve pretty similar to boats like Pogos. Probably pretty stable upside down. The article didn't bring that up though, of course.