Old vs. New Style Cruisers

[Smokeys Kitchen]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

FWIW, I wasn't saying that the smaller volume of the PS40 is a bad thing or anything. Just that more weight capacity isn't inherently an advantage for one boat over another. One may be limited in what you can carry by weight, but another may run out of space for stuff with weight capacity left to spare.

Yup. Totally agree

[A la carte]

Agreed that the choice is mission driven:
- Fair weather recreation: The luxurious salon and open decks of the Jeanneau. But be bound to good weather windows. (I've not sailed the Jeanneu)
- ANY serious weather or passage: The capable and more comfortable (in weather) PSC. The salon is still quite enjoyable (I've sailed the PSC). The staysail on the cutter rig is a very useful option for higher winds.

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by GordMay

So who had disc brakes first? Well, it's clear to see that the Citroën DS was the first volume-production car so equipped, while Triumph's TR3 was the first volume-production sports car, and Jaguar the first racecar builder.
➥ https://www.hemmings.com/stories/art...kes-really-was

Yes! We had 5 Citroens in our family and an ID19 was my first car! Not only were they disc, they were INBOARD, meaning they were on the inside on the (front wheel drive) axles next to the transmission not out at the wheels, and though the entire underbody was covered by a panel, they had air vents.
Now, any more mentions of Citroens and I am really going to drift this thread!

[Tetepare]

Are there one or two threads in here? Holy drift, Batman.

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by Tetepare

Are there one or two threads in here? Holy drift, Batman.

Well, we might need a way to vent some steam since this topic often comes to fisticuffs.

[rotrax]

Originally Posted by Tonali99

All things aside ... I DO NOT like plastic.

So, please enligten me and let me know what full size yachts are made from plastic.


Many are made from ' Glass Reinforced Plastic ' which, as I am sure you know, is not the same thing as a true plastic like ABS.


The sheer number of GRP yachts built as against yachts built in other materials must tell you something.


You, of course, might not take any notice, and quite right too.


It would be a sad old World if we all liked or aspired to the same thing.


First Mate and I are very happy with our GRP Island Packet. We also like our Steel Hartley 32 we keep in NZ.


Horses for courses. The Hartley is only a small step above camping on water.


The Island Packet can be - and is - lived upon for months at a time.


It is also a very strong boat and, as most boats are, is better than the crew!

[DMF Sailing]

Originally Posted by Smokeys Kitchen

On the way down from Washington to SF, the shorter steeper seas did make the stern slew around quite a bit making it difficult for the windvane to hold course. We took small amounts of water over the stern only twice. Seas were @ 4 to 6 ft but the period was about the same; 4 to 6 seconds.

But does anyone know any monohull that handles well with 4 to 6 foot chop on your stern at 4 to 6 seconds? If it's not the PS 40, it sure as heck isn't that SO 41. Handling in those conditions is like slalom on any jennie-bennie-bavaria-hanse I've ever skippered.

[As an inveterate coastal cruiser who does most of his cruising in a gulf where those are typical conditions in a stiff northerly, I just change course and go somewhere else. Same thing when it's on the nose. Someone mentioned the inability for a sailing vessel of the modern cruising design to make headway upwind against that kind of chop and I concur. Rather than break my teeth I drop 12 degrees and go somewhere else. I'm curious to know which kind of monohull will allow me to continue on course comfortably in that, as one who happily is bereft of the sticktoitiveness of Smokey's Kitchen]

[ricwoz]

Originally Posted by rotrax

So, please enligten me and let me know what full size yachts are made from plastic.


Many are made from ' Glass Reinforced Plastic ' which, as I am sure you know, is not the same thing as a true plastic like ABS.


The sheer number of GRP yachts built as against yachts built in other materials must tell you something.


You, of course, might not take any notice, and quite right too.


It would be a sad old World if we all liked or aspired to the same thing.


First Mate and I are very happy with our GRP Island Packet. We also like our Steel Hartley 32 we keep in NZ.


Horses for courses. The Hartley is only a small step above camping on water.


The Island Packet can be - and is - lived upon for months at a time.


It is also a very strong boat and, as most boats are, is better than the crew!

Now I'm dragging my own topic off-topic, but anyway. I am a huge beach cat fan, and sailed a NACRA for many years in Santa Cruz. Back in those days (early 90s) NACRAs were pretty rare on the beach (where we paid to store them, by the harbor). It was mostly Hobies. 16's, 14's, 18's and even a 17. Old Prindles. Ours was the only NACRA. But all these boats were legit Fiberglass Beach Cats. Then, sometime after that Hobie, who build a zillion plastic (truely plastic, injection molded) kayaks started using the same process to build their catamarans.

These boats were always looked down on by beach cat people (especially the racers), and Hobie by then was just trying to build fun beach toys, not really competitive high-performance racing boats.

Fast Forward to 2022: Hobie still makes the Hobie 16, but no other fiberglass cats. And they have two rotomolded cats: The little 13' Wave (seen in beach resorts all over the world) and the rarer 17' "Getaway", which is about the size of the classic Hobie 16/17/18 boats of the past (and my NACRA 5.2).

And then they have the 18.5' Mirage Tandem Adventure trimaran / foot powered Kayak with outriggers thing.

None of these are yachts, but I think the dislike of plastic (for dingey sized boats) isn't really warranted, and now RS is making (higher peformance) rotomolded dingys and beach cats too. People who own all these little plastic boats love them, and especially credit them with being bulletproof in their environments.

The RS-Cat 16 is probably the highest performance rotomolded beach cat out there. It's about $11,500. About the same as a new Hobie 16. (A new NACRA 17 (the Olympic boat) is about $30,000.)

[rotrax]

Originally Posted by Tonali99

All things aside ... I DO NOT like plastic.

Thats fine.


Dont buy any then.

[wtmf]

Bigger is better as long as it is fiberglass and I would have this ,
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/199...ntent=12162021 in a heartbeat, anyone want to finance me?

[hpeer]

I have zero interest in a boat like that.

I would take a Nimble 20 first. I don’t want any boat I can not single hand.

But something is wrong with the price or the boat.

Oh, I see. That is merely the opening auction bid.

“With some love she will be ready for new long adventures. She will be auctioned on Febr. 21 in cooperation with Schipveiling-BVA Auctions.”

“Some love” = “money pit”

Here is a clue.
Engine installed in 2007, on a 1991 boat. That is 16 years, and one engine down.
Second engine rebuilt in 2014, 7 years to a rebuild.
Now 2014 to 2020 is another 6 years. At the above use rate you are looking at a new engine. They say 2,500 engine hours, presumably since rebuild.

Why the high engine usage?


What is going on here? Why the high engine hours?

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Don C L

... any more mentions of Citroens and I am really going to drift this thread!

Automobiles Citroën innovations
➥ https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/ne...en-innovation/

➥ https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/featur...n-innovations/

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Automobiles Citroën innovations
➥ https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/ne...en-innovation/

➥ https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/featur...n-innovations/

OK now you've done it Gord! We better take this discussion over to the Classicmotorsports forum! (Where I am sure we will establish once and for all that the Citroen DS series was the finest line-up of cars of all time!)

[hpeer]

DS = Deck Saloon???
LOL

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by hpeer

DS = Deck Saloon???
LOL

Oh yeah, maybe so. Ok we can keep discussing it here then.