Transgender and cruising?

[Franziska]

Originally Posted by BobHorn

>> I think it is high time that the USA starts to invoke penalties on these barbarous countries.<<


You have got to be kidding, right?

Kids, please, go to another playing field to work that out amongst yourselves.

[BobHorn]

Their country, their rules. You don't like them, don't go there.

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by Franziska

Kids, please, go to another playing field to work that out amongst yourselves.

Unfortunately many of these countries are in the scope of a circumnavigation. If you fit into the bracket of running the risk of being jailed or executed or you morally do not want to support countries that are so inhumane, then I think this is certainly a topic for cruisers to consider. IMHO

[GoingWalkabout]

Not kidding at all. I would also think that there should be consequences from the international community for those countries that allow the Harvesting and eating of dogs. Barbarians.

[Franziska]

Originally Posted by GoingWalkabout

Unfortunately many of these countries are in the scope of a circumnavigation. If you fit into the bracket of running the risk of being jailed or executed or you morally do not want to support countries that are so inhumane, then I think this is certainly a topic for cruisers to consider. IMHO

I was referring to the comment of Bob a la "you must be kidding".

While I agree that countries set their on rules I agree that other countries should encourage tolerance or acceptance of these countries.

[TrentePieds]

Publication of the list in the spirit of a "Notice to Mariners" seems perfectly appropriate to me.

However, disputations regarding the morality of it all, as well as disputations about geopolitics, have no place in this INTERNATIONAL SAILING forum, and are, as you will recall from your reading of The Rules when you joined, not wanted and will at the moderating team's discretion be subject to - ahem! - sanctions.

TrentePieds, (FDP, Canadian moderator)

[Franziska]

Originally Posted by TrentePieds

Publication of the list in the spirit of a "Notice to Mariners" seems perfectly appropriate to me.

However, disputations regarding the morality of it all, as well as disputations about geopolitics, have no place in this INTERNATIONAL SAILING forum, and are, as you will recall from your reading of The Rules when you joined, not wanted and will at the moderating team's discretion be subject to - ahem! - sanctions.

TrentePieds, (FDP, Canadian moderator)

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[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by Franziska

[emoji847]

I accept and stand suitably admonished. Thank you.

[Rjstutch]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

There are many places in the world where a particular attitude , political or religious views views will generate a backlash. To sone people this seems to attract “ look at me” types who can’t control these views. They usually end badly.

Hence as I said keep on the down-lo blend in and all will be fine. It’s a rare society that has random attacks on innocents walking down the street. ( there are places but rare and often there is underlying civil disturbance going on )

Oh and yeah don’t try to bring in drugs anywhere. Seriously bad idea

Sorry I am late to this post!
I have an old school friend who turned out to be a trans woman later in life! They went to one of the muslim Asian countries mentioned as not recommended and followed the down-low advice suggested by many here. In this case unfortunately dressed as a non-descript male, when they went through the body scan machine and the alarm went off. They were told their body did not match a male body. They were taken aside and patted down as they thought they had drugs attached to their chest. They were breasts as they been on estrogen for years. They were then taken to a room and stripped naked by male police officers to complete the search. As they had also had surgery down there (SRS) and had a vagina, they looked like female, and had had voice surgery giving them a higher pitch like a female. These airport police thought they were a woman dressing as a man. They were subject to other searches in the mouth, nose ears, anally and vaginally.
Going on the down-low was a great idea.....NOT! They were finally released after 3 days in the airport jail and fortunately returned to Australia. They were originally told they would go on trial for presenting as a transgender man. Australian diplomats secured their release.
Things are not as simple as you think, and being on the down-low does not always work, especially if you have done a lot to change your body to the the gender you feel you are!
They are too traumatised to travel again, still 5.5 years later!

[BobHorn]

You keep referring to "they". How many were involved in this episode?

[Rjstutch]

Originally Posted by BobHorn

You keep referring to "they". How many were involved in this episode?

One person. When I was told what happened, she was using they/them pronouns.

[BobHorn]

According to my old Oxford dictionary those are both plural. [REDACTED]

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Rjstutch

Sorry I am late to this post!
I have an old school friend who turned out to be a trans woman later in life! They went to one of the muslim Asian countries mentioned as not recommended and followed the down-low advice suggested by many here. In this case unfortunately dressed as a non-descript male, when they went through the body scan machine and the alarm went off. They were told their body did not match a male body. They were taken aside and patted down as they thought they had drugs attached to their chest. They were breasts as they been on estrogen for years. They were then taken to a room and stripped naked by male police officers to complete the search. As they had also had surgery down there (SRS) and had a vagina, they looked like female, and had had voice surgery giving them a higher pitch like a female. These airport police thought they were a woman dressing as a man. They were subject to other searches in the mouth, nose ears, anally and vaginally.
Going on the down-low was a great idea.....NOT! They were finally released after 3 days in the airport jail and fortunately returned to Australia. They were originally told they would go on trial for presenting as a transgender man. Australian diplomats secured their release.
Things are not as simple as you think, and being on the down-low does not always work, especially if you have done a lot to change your body to the the gender you feel you are!
They are too traumatised to travel again, still 5.5 years later!

I presume their passport was not registered/adjusted for the gender change else the issue may not have happened.
Dressing as a 'non descript' male would not have helped either.. What are they trying to hide.???
Be what you claim to be especially if fully transitioned..
Also.. I reckon all this new 'woke' lingo is not helpful.. currently someone in the UK is trying to get 'openly gay' banned.. will closet be next and we'll have to say cupboard instead..

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by BobHorn

According to my old Oxford dictionary those are both plural. [REDACTED]

Get a better dictionary?

Singular they, along with its inflected or derivative forms, them, their, theirs, and themselves (also themself and theirself), is a gender-neutral third-person pronoun. It typically occurs with an indeterminate antecedent, in sentences such as:

"Somebody left their umbrella in the office. Could you please let them know where they can get it?"
"My personal rule is to never trust anyone who says that they had a good time in high school."
"The patient should be told at the outset how much they will be required to pay."
"But a journalist should not be forced to reveal their sources."

(Note, I am not a fan of this being co-opted by the gender-neutral community—I'd rather we went with xe/xem or something similar for clarity's sake but it is grammatically fine.)

[BaccaSean]

According to my old Oxford dictionary those are both plural. [REDACTED]

Singular they emerged in English around the 14th century, about one century following plural they. Take issue not with some so-called “gender-neutral community” but rather the Edwardians.