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Old 05-04-2020, 20:44   #31
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Fishing from a boat is NOT allowed UNLESS it is what a family is living on. The following is from the DNR website:

"Recreational boating is prohibited until the governor lifts the executive order or until the State of Emergency has ended. However, if an individual is boating to seek food for them or their family, boating is permitted. "

I was at my boat yesterday on the hard and spoke to a friend who does repairs at a number of local marinas. (We had appropriate distancing of course.) He said he knows of two people who thought they'd get around the recreational boating ban by going fishing, each had been stopped by DNR, and each got a $250 ticket.

One person insisted that he could be there because there was an exception for fishing. The DNR officer had already checked the cooler for fish then said that the guy would have to take it up with a judge and handed him the ticket. Turns out that in addition to clearly having a job, the fellow had two Wawa sandwiches in his cooler. The DNR officer deemed that the guy clearly was not fishing so his family could eat and noted the sandwiches on the ticket.

The two bolded items are not the same thing. The concept of procuring food doesn't mean that it must be the only food available. The press release, and others posted, just say that if you are fishing for food, boating is allowed. It doesn't say that has to be the only food available to you or your family. So unless the there is more precise wording somewhere other than the press release, I don't think the rule requies you to be a subsistance fisherman. Honestly, how many subsistance fishermen live in Maryland? Is it common for folks only source of food to be caught fish?

Still, it seems like if your story about people being fined because they had sandwiches aboard is true (it is a 3rd degree internet rumor at this point) and there are no other circumstances (like, say, if the fishing boat had 4 unrelated adults on board), then it seems like the DNR is just using this rule to raise money. If the verbiage of the press releases comprises the bulk of the actual executive order, then I don't see how the fine handed out to the fisherman would ever hold up in front of an honest judge (but that is always a bit of a crap shoot.)

The issue of course is, that it is impossible to distinguish between fishing and 'recreational fishing.' Outside of professional fisherman (who aren't part of this discussion) nearly everyone I've ever seen fishing from a boat are engaged in 'recreational boating'. Having the presence of sandwiches aboard the delineator between legal and illegal activity is laughable. If you buy a sandwich on the way to a grocery store, have you broken a law?
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Old 05-04-2020, 23:17   #32
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Re: Slip fees and virus

I thought I had a good plan; I towed my smaller (28') boat up to a lake in Oregon and paid for a slip with the intention of loading up with supplies and anchoring out for a week or two. Either of my boats can go that long on the hook without a problem. Couldn't be much more socially distant than out in that area.
I launched Saturday 03/21 with the plan to be on the boat Tuesday 03/23. Sunday 03/22 the State put out a news release that the campgrounds and picnic areas would be closed, but those with prior reservations would be allowed to stay until 04/02. Well, that would cut my stay short but at least I'd have some time on the water.

On Tuesday I gathered all my supplies, traveled the 1 1/2 hours to the lake to find a locked gate. No prior notification (the marina had my number). After several days of unanswered voicemails, I finally had someone answer and was notified that I would need to make an appointment to meet a Ranger at a specific time at the gate, escorted to the ramp to load my boat and leave promptly.
At least I got my boat back.
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Old 05-04-2020, 23:47   #33
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The issue of course is, that it is impossible to distinguish between fishing and 'recreational fishing.' Outside of professional fisherman (who aren't part of this discussion) nearly everyone I've ever seen fishing from a boat are engaged in 'recreational boating'. Having the presence of sandwiches aboard the delineator between legal and illegal activity is laughable. If you buy a sandwich on the way to a grocery store, have you broken a law?

Haven’t you somewhat answered your own question?

When the governor orders you to stay home, they’re serious about it.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:23   #34
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In the UK Most if not all Marinas are closed and owners are not allowed to visit their boats. Fuel berths are also closed apart from emergency needs and then by appointment (at least in my Marina MDL). I think this link gives a good idea of what is happening in the uk. https://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/ne...l-boaters.aspx
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Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, MBinSTPete.
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In Belgium and Holland no recreational boating allowed at all, until further notice
Not quite true. Unlike the situation in Belgium, in The Netherlands recreational boating is still allowed on most waterways as far as there are no more people on board than members of one family. Exeptions are e.g. the canals in the centre of Amsterdam and some other touristic places, where recreational boating is forbidden totally in case of very nice weather, when the authorities expect many people to come on the water.
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Old 06-04-2020, 08:49   #37
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Key West/Monroe County FL
We've been on lock down for three weeks, the marina allowed 6 yachts ranging from 140' - 270' and some smaller boats in after the County "shut down/all tourists out" order. No new boats have come in for the last week. The ship's store is closed, they furloughed some marina employees, knocked pump out down to once a week. Restroom and shower facilities remain open. Hotel, pools and two bar/restaurants shut down. Hotel restaurant/bar doing take-out only. Fuel docks open. Recreational boating is still happening, no charters going out but commercial fishermen are working. We've see some gatherings on boats of 8-10 people all sitting shoulder to shoulder but most people are keeping their distance. Starting to see more folks wearing masks now, too. We haven't worked since March 15 and don't expect to for months if at all in 2020.
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This is why there is such panic as people are spreading such Sh%T (excuse the pun )



According to the CDC it is has not been shown to be transmissible by human effluent but is "unknown" and through sewage whilst may be possible, there is no evidence to date that this has occurred.



Big difference in meanings from what you said.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...php/water.html
Risk may be low, but as an employer it is my responsibility to protect my workers from unnecessary risks which is what the Harbormaster has chosen to do.

CDC guidance:

"CDC is reviewing all data on COVID-19 transmission as information becomes available. At this time, the risk of transmission of the virus that causes COVID-19 through sewerage systems is thought to be low. Although transmission of the virus that causes COVID-19 through sewage may be possible, there is no evidence to date that this has occurred. This guidance will be updated as necessary as new evidence is assessed.

SARS, a similar coronavirus, has been detected in untreated sewage for up to 14 days. In the 2003 SARS outbreak, there was documented transmission associated with sewage aerosols. The available information suggests that standard municipal wastewater system chlorination practices may be sufficient to inactivate coronaviruses, as long as utilities monitor free available chlorine during treatment to ensure it has not been depleted."
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Re: Slip fees and virus

We just received an email from the port authority. It applies to marine and aviation. They will accept applications for deferral of rent (boat/plane) for up to three months to be paid back within a specified 12 month period. Each application will be considered on a case by case basis.

To read the whole thing go to Port of Bellingham (WA) site.
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We belong to a club that has docks and supports a number of other sports, some aquatic, with a clubhouse and relevant facilities. The clubhouse, facilities and office are all closed but the docks are open. I have not been down there because we have been in 14 days of post foreign travel isolation but hope to check on the boat sometime this week. Friends tell me that there few people on the dock or in their boats (live-aboards are not permitted).

The most important income line in the club's annual budget is moorage fees. The shortage of dock space in general and length of the waiting list to obtain a spot in the club is such that this income is not in jeopardy. The clubhouse has a bar/restaurant and is also regularly used for events such as weddings etc. Those income streams are now gone for an as of yet undetermined amount of time.

The club has "outstations" that consisted of rented dockspace, mostly at commercial marinas near Vancouver. Some of those marinas are accepting member moorage but not transient moorage. Others are not accepting any kind of visitor.

Yesterday was a reasonably sunny day with winds in the 10-15 knot range. There may have been up to 5 boats sailing in English Bay where normally on such a day, even in early April, I would expect to see 20-30 boats not counting sailing dinghys. People seem to be taking the "stay home" thing quite seriously.
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I am in the Canary Islands and live aboard . The Marina has at reluctantly accepted a part payment for the six month fee. Higher discount for 6 Months. Despite the fact that we are not allowed to leave or enter the marina. They have no new business entering .
This marina may not be in business in a few months. Should I pay them the balance or not?
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I am in the Canary Islands and live aboard . The Marina has at reluctantly accepted a part payment for the six month fee. Higher discount for 6 Months. Despite the fact that we are not allowed to leave or enter the marina. They have no new business entering .
This marina may not be in business in a few months. Should I pay them the balance or not?
Yes, you should still pay folks what you owe them.

We're not quite into "zombie rules" just yet.
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I am in the Canary Islands and live aboard . The Marina has at reluctantly accepted a part payment for the six month fee. Higher discount for 6 Months. Despite the fact that we are not allowed to leave or enter the marina. They have no new business entering .
This marina may not be in business in a few months. Should I pay them the balance or not?

What do you think the right answer is? Would your answer be different if you owned the marina? What answer are you looking for? What answer are you expecting?
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Philippines: no recreational boating allowed at all, until further notice. Some marinas totally closed, except guard, some do allowed liveaboards roaming within Marina. Price adjustment? can only grow higher as yachts are unnecessary luxury goods and their rich owner want to share with the poor.
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Curious if storage or slip fees are being adjusted in favor of owners Aren't these marinas all qualifying for stimulus money in which case we owners might get a couple months break?
Thatís a nice fantasy! That thought is totally contrary to the point of the stimulus.
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