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Old 05-04-2020, 10:38   #16
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We can still go out as recreational boaters and will be leaving in the next couple of days to go to Sucia Is, one of the San Juan Is. owned by the state, so no residents, no internet, no amenities at all. Just some peace and the illusion of a "vacation". It'll be interesting to see how many others we see out there.

I have seen that the state parks are closed until May 4th, have you been able to find out that affects a visit to Sucia (or the other marine parks)?


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Curious if storage or slip fees are being adjusted in favor of owners Aren't these marinas all qualifying for stimulus money in which case we owners might get a couple months break?

Businesses are trying to stay "afloat", as it were, through this crisis without going bankrupt. Like everyone else, they still have expenses, even if they cut services.
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I don't understand the questions.


The fee is for boat storage. It is NOT the marina's fault that you cannot use it, any more than it is their fault when you cannot use it due to hurricane or war. However, the boat is still in storage (land or water).


It sucks. But that is irrelevant.
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I have seen that the state parks are closed until May 4th, have you been able to find out that affects a visit to Sucia (or the other marine parks)?


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There really is no presence on Sucia - a couple of latrines and a couple of picnic tables. I think there's a dock on Shallow Bay. Where we go on Echo Bay we just drop anchor and dinghy in for a hike or to let the dog do her thing. We take our trash back to the boat as there are no cans. It never occurred to me that it could be "closed". I'll have to look at the website. I was hiking a trail in a state owned area last week (not sure if it's designated a park or not) and other than a poster warning to keep the 6 foot distancing, there was nothing saying "closed".

Even if we sail the 18 miles there and just turn around and come back due to closure, I'll still consider it a good day off the dock. I'll let you know.

Ohhh - and my avatar was taken at Sucia!
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Our marina office will remain closed, so no bathrooms or showers. But according to the letter, we can still get fuel and pump-outs by calling the Harbor master, and setting up an appointment.
Due to the contagious nature of SARS-CoV-2, most public bathrooms are closed since it would put both sanitation staff and users at risk of transmission.

Pump out stations are being closed and services are being curtailed because the virus has been shown to be transmissible from human wastes. I suspect that as more marinas and pump out service firms learn about public authorities closing down such sewage handling that there will be a wider degree of closure and this until a vaccine has been disseminated so as to protect workers that handle such biologically hazardous wastes, which could be a long time coming. One will need to find the few if any such locations still open and / or have to travel out of the no discharge zone to empty your tanks.

Fueling clearly has much reduced potential for virus transmission.

By way of example:

Annapolis, Maryland harbormaster to suspend pump-out boat service due to coronavirus pandemic. MAR 18, 2020

The Annapolis Harbormaster’s office announced Wednesday it is suspending its pump-out boat service starting Saturday due to concerns about the spread of coronavirus.

The city pump-out boat’s final day of service will be March 21 and will remain out of service through the rest of the city’s state of emergency, city spokeswoman Mitchelle Stephenson said.

All public buildings, including the Harbormaster’s office on Dock Street, are closed for the next 30 days.

Dumping untreated waste in Annapolis waters is illegal. And Annapolis Mayor Gavin Buckley and County Executive Steuart Pittman signed an application in October that would bar all boats from discharging sewage into county waters. The EPA’s decision to accept the petition is likely to come in late spring or early summer, Stephenson said.

It could be that pump out may be permitted if the boat's crew handles the task themselves. In Annapolis they used to charge $20 per pump out if the city personnel accomplished the task and it was free if the boater tended to the task themselves.
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RE: Sucia. And Washington State Parks:

NOVEL CORONAVIRUS – COVID 19 UPDATE
Update as of April 3, 2020

The Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission and the state departments of Natural Resources and Fish and Wildlife announced the extended closure of state lands to the public through May 4. The closure coincides with the extension of Gov. Jay Inslee’s “Stay Home, Stay Healthy,” order.

This action is a continuation of the state’s efforts to protect residents by stemming the spread of the coronavirus. This extension will apply to all camping on state lands, boat launches and water-access sites, wildlife areas, and day-use recreation areas.

Campers who have state parks reservations through May 4 will be notified and offered a full refund.

People should continue to practice social distancing and good hygiene when outdoors and continue to stay as close to home as possible. The agencies will continue to monitor this issue and will keep you updated to the latest updates.

Also:

Coronavirus Notice: San Juan County Parks is currently accepting new reservations from May 30th only. At this time, all parks are open to day-use only.

BTW: Sucia is the Spanish word for Dirty. But from the pictures that looks like a beautiful place. Hope everyone carries out their trash. One should expect that public toilet facilities should be closed for an extended period of time due the virus being transmissible by human wastes and contact surfaces.
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(in Maryland recreational boating of all types is banned through June 10).

According to the link in the other thread, fishing is still allowed. Has that changed?
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According to the link in the other thread, fishing is still allowed. Has that changed?
"Stay at home." It's what the governors of Maryland, Delaware and Virginia (as well as several other states) are imploring their residents to do — and, as of this week, it's a directive enforceable by law.

The executive orders issued by Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam and Delaware Gov. John Carney say that no one should leave their homes unless for an essential job or reason, such as obtaining food or medicine, seeking urgent medical attention, or for other absolutely necessary purposes.

Fishing is permitted for provisioning for gathering food, either commercially with a permit, or for feeding self and family and is permitted, from shore or boat. Similarly as to gathering food for going to the grocery store, harvesting / gathering in garden or farms, and hunting for game food, but not huntin' for trophy.

Recreational boating is not permitted.

Likely also permitted but not explicitly stated is dumpster diving for food.

What is social distancing?
The best way to slow the spread of COVID-19 is through “social distancing,” which means avoiding close contact with others. Social distancing can take many forms, depending on your lifestyle and your family or living situation. Social distancing can include the following habits and steps:

• Avoid handshaking, hugging and other intimate types of greeting
• Avoid non-essential travel
• Avoid crowds, especially in poorly ventilated spaces
Work from home if possible for your work situation
• Avoid unnecessary errands

1. What is the difference between the stay-at-home order and a self-quarantine?

For all states:

Stay-at-home: Remain at your place of residence, except for certain permitted trips. Most of the advice in this article pertains to stay-at-home rules. It does not include a curfew for essential activities; you can still shop after dark (in fact, shoppers are recommended to run essential errands during non-peak hours to reduce crowds in stores).

Self-quarantine: Self-quarantine requires that an individual stay in a quarantine location (home, hotel room or rented lodging). Their travel is extremely restricted. While in self-quarantine, you are asked to separate from other individuals in the residence as much as possible and avoid sharing personal items. Self-quarantiners are permitted to leave the quarantine location for a medical emergency or to seek medical care, but other trips are not permitted.

2. What are the penalties for violating the stay-at-home order, and how are they being enforced?
Under federal law, states are granted powers to protect the health, safety and welfare of people within their borders. The federal government is allowed to prevent the spread of communicable diseases between states.

In Maryland, the executive order states that anyone in violation of the stay-at-home rules can be charged with a misdemeanor and face up to a year in jail, a fine of up to $5,000, or both. While the Maryland order does call for law enforcement to break up groups of 10 or more people, the order does not call for police to pull over drivers on the road to check compliance. However, if you are pulled over for violating traffic laws while engaged in nonessential travel, the officer may enforce the executive order against you, according to a Maryland State Police press release.

In Delaware, penalties for violating the stay-at-home order can be a fine of up to $500 or six months in jail for each violation.

Delaware is curtailing out-of-state travel; if you have out-of-state plates, you could be pulled over by police, which could lead to citation or mandatory self-quarantine. Carney's executive order states "law enforcement may conduct traffic stops – limited in scope to public health and quarantine questions – on vehicles registered in other states."

3. Do I need documentation to be on the road?
Providing documentation to essential workers is a suggestion, not a rule, under Maryland's stay-at-home order.

Virginia and Delaware law enforcement will also not require documentation from individuals that are traveling for an essential purpose, the states say.

However, possessing documentation of where you work will help in case an employee is stopped by police on their way to or from their essential job (this should only occur when violating other traffic rules). A letter then may help "resolve questions," a Maryland State Police press release says.

Such a letter should include:

the name and address of the employee;
the name and address of the employer;
the nature of the employee’s work;
a brief statement of why the employer remains open for business;
a signature and contact information for the employer.
If you are not an essential worker, you do not need documentation. By keeping your trips within the guidelines, you can help reduce transmission of the virus in the community.

4. Is outdoor recreation allowed?
Yes, in Maryland, you may exercise or walk your dog outside, as long as you stay 6 feet away from others and do not congregate in groups of 10 or more. Recreational boating has been disallowed. Most Maryland state parks and public lands remain open (but check individual locations; Assateague is closed).

However, Marylanders crossing the Delaware border to recreate is not allowed. Under the latest directive, anyone who enters Delaware from another state must immediately self-quarantine for 14 days. The order applies to individuals who would like to fish, hunt or visit state parks and wildlife areas, including the state’s golf courses.

Surf fishing in Delaware is allowed, with some extra rules: If you have a current surf fishing permit, you may do so from your vehicle only (the order allows limited vehicle access to beaches — make sure your vehicle is sand-worthy first). Only two people from the same household may accompany the vehicle and both must be actively fishing at all times, with distance between vehicles on the beach of 20 yards, according to the Delaware Department of Natural Resources.

In Delaware, most state parks and wildlife areas are currently open (with the exception of beaches, which are only open for exercise and surf fishing). However, all state park campsites, cabins, cottages, yurts and playgrounds are closed.

In Virginia, outdoor recreation is allowed as long as social distancing is maintained.
5. Can I shop over the border?
According to the Hogan administration's interpretive guidance, anyone who travels into Maryland from out of state must self-quarantine for 14 days. Likewise in Delaware: Anyone who enters Delaware from another state must immediately quarantine for 14 days, according to the state.

If you entered Delaware within the last 14 days, the order also asks that you self-quarantine, no matter where you are.

5. Can I shop over the border?
According to the Hogan administration's interpretive guidance, anyone who travels into Maryland from out of state must self-quarantine for 14 days. Likewise in Delaware: Anyone who enters Delaware from another state must immediately quarantine for 14 days, according to the state.

If you entered Delaware within the last 14 days, the order also asks that you self-quarantine, no matter where you are.

It's not every day you get fined $100 just for walking on the beach.

But as coronavirus cases on Delmarva continue to climb, state and local governments are closing off crowd-prone areas to the public.

That includes Delaware's famous beaches, which are closed either until May 15 or the virus is no longer a public health threat. People aren't allowed on the beach except to exercise or walk their dogs where dogs are allowed, per Gov. John Carney's order.

Coastal towns like Ocean City and Bethany Beach are imposing harsher regulations that could stave off visitors. Chincoteague and Tangier Island officials have asked non-residents to stay away.

Del. state parks open, but no beaches
You won't have to pay an entrance fee to any of Delaware's state parks through April 30, but don't go if you're trying to get on the beach.

Beach access is prohibited at Cape Henlopen, Delaware Seashore and Fenwick Island state parks, but park trails are still accessible. Anglers can park and fish at Cape Henlopen's fishing pier and the Indian River Inlet within Delaware Seashore State Park, but surf fishing is off-limits on Delaware beaches.

All state park campsites, cabins, cottages and yurts are closed. Campground reservations have been canceled through May 15, and full refunds will be issued. Call 877-98 PARKS (877-987-2757) for questions.

Playgrounds are closed within Delaware's state parks, as surfaces like slides and swings could potentially spread the virus.
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No Maryland recreational boating. No charter fishing.
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RE: Sucia. And Washington State Parks:

NOVEL CORONAVIRUS – COVID 19 UPDATE
Update as of April 3, 2020

The Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission and the state departments of Natural Resources and Fish and Wildlife announced the extended closure of state lands to the public through May 4. The closure coincides with the extension of Gov. Jay Inslee’s “Stay Home, Stay Healthy,” order.

This action is a continuation of the state’s efforts to protect residents by stemming the spread of the coronavirus. This extension will apply to all camping on state lands, boat launches and water-access sites, wildlife areas, and day-use recreation areas.

Campers who have state parks reservations through May 4 will be notified and offered a full refund.

People should continue to practice social distancing and good hygiene when outdoors and continue to stay as close to home as possible. The agencies will continue to monitor this issue and will keep you updated to the latest updates.

Also:

Coronavirus Notice: San Juan County Parks is currently accepting new reservations from May 30th only. At this time, all parks are open to day-use only.

BTW: Sucia is the Spanish word for Dirty. But from the pictures that looks like a beautiful place. Hope everyone carries out their trash. One should expect that public toilet facilities should be closed for an extended period of time due the virus being transmissible by human wastes and contact surfaces.
I was told by a Fish & Game agent here at our dock that until the stay at home order is lifted on May 5th, anyone found mooring or anchoring in a Washington State marine park is subject to a fine of $500 per day. At the same time anchoring in tidelands is still permitted, so use your judgment. I can't imagine there would be much of a presence at Sucia, but just conveying what I was told.
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In NZ all recreational boating, along with a bunch of other water activities such as swimming and surfing and fishing and diving, etc. The reasoning is that if you get into trouble you will break isolation for you and the rescue/medical services. That’s the same reason why all non essential land travel is prohibited.

Another reason is that the influx of boaters at smaller communities and their limited stores and fuels is impacting supply for the locals.

The situation sucks. In the north we’re having wonderful weather absolutely perfect for cruising, especially given the cold SW’s we put up with all summer through February. Sigh.

The more complete a lockdown, the sooner it gets lifted. At least for us our cruising season, albeit cold in the winter, is year round. Same as for the PNW.
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According to the link in the other thread, fishing is still allowed [in Maryland]. Has that changed?
Fishing from a boat is NOT allowed UNLESS it is what a family is living on. The following is from the DNR website:

"Recreational boating is prohibited until the governor lifts the executive order or until the State of Emergency has ended. However, if an individual is boating to seek food for them or their family, boating is permitted. "

I was at my boat yesterday on the hard and spoke to a friend who does repairs at a number of local marinas. (We had appropriate distancing of course.) He said he knows of two people who thought they'd get around the recreational boating ban by going fishing, each had been stopped by DNR, and each got a $250 ticket.

One person insisted that he could be there because there was an exception for fishing. The DNR officer had already checked the cooler for fish then said that the guy would have to take it up with a judge and handed him the ticket. Turns out that in addition to clearly having a job, the fellow had two Wawa sandwiches in his cooler. The DNR officer deemed that the guy clearly was not fishing so his family could eat and noted the sandwiches on the ticket.
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I know the virus is going to be tough on all small businesses across the world including those servicing the boating community. The boating community is supported by a myriad of small businesses so I'm not saying anything you folks don't already know.

It's in our collective interest to keep all these small businesses "afloat" so while I'm disappointed in the reduction of the level of services currently available I recognize when it's time for them to batten down the hatches and I'll be supporting them by not expecting or asking for any rebates. When the good times come back, they'll remember the goodwill gesture.

I hope this sentiment is widely shared.
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Didnt realize this discussion would be so lively. While completely respecting the decision of each state, my own allowed me to have a lovely sail with my wife this afternoon. In our 60s we almost never leave the house and even today as we headed to the marina we wore N95 masks. If my state changes the laws to prohibit I will stop sailing. But until such time I will carefully sail but only with my wife or single-handed.

My question about fees was based on seeing so many payments being cancelled or delayed - student debt and income taxes for example. I am not the only one in the marina who has lost a job and currently finding it difficult to stay caught up. And I do think many marinas will qualify for stimulus money. I am not trying to hurt the marina but i know of many who could use a break and marinas as well as much of the marine world seem to go along like little has changed.
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Pump out stations are being closed and services are being curtailed because the virus has been shown to be transmissible from human wastes.

This is why there is such panic as people are spreading such Sh%T (excuse the pun )



According to the CDC it is has not been shown to be transmissible by human effluent but is "unknown" and through sewage whilst may be possible, there is no evidence to date that this has occurred.



Big difference in meanings from what you said.


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