Sexism In The Sailing Community

[alaskaflyfish]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

Ok. One more. Then you can go. And then we are done. I promise.



I couldn't find anything directly relating Huxley to socialism but...

The fact that they were both Fabian Socialist should have cued you in. In his last words Orwell rejected is past beliefs.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by alaskaflyfish

The fact that they were both Fabian Socialist should have cued you in. In his last words Orwell rejected is past beliefs.

It is.. It is the Intellectual Humility thread..

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by boatman61

It is.. It is the Intellectual Humility thread..

You know sometimes you are a funny guy and some times you are a guy that's funny. That...that's funny.

[alaskaflyfish]

Originally Posted by boatman61

It is.. It is the Intellectual Humility thread..

Sorry about that, didn't mean to rabbit trail. I find it curious that a single word unrelated to the context of the OP could have upset McBlaze so much. Then, him feverishly trying to connect that word to the Tea Party thru a spider web of circumstance thereby trying to discredit the opinion. That is excellent example "emotionalism" driving context. I hope he is able to recover.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by scarlet

I belong to quite a few sailing communities, on-line because I like to network with other people.. make friends, and learn. Several of them are "women only" sites. I didn't seek out groups for women only, but, as a woman, I did join them when I found them. I find the "women only" groups to be a good source of information, but, no better or worse than any other sailing community, such as this one.

That being said... I am so tired of the rampant "sexism" on those sites that I am very close to just walking away. Everyday there are postings bashing men. "Men don't respect me in sailing"... "men don't include me"... "men talk to my husband and not me"... "men are so sexists"..."The men wanted to watch a video about a male sailor, and they didn't realize how offensive and exclusive that was of women... They should have watched a video about a woman so that it was more inclusive"... on and on and on... enough already!!!

. . .

Anyway... just a little mini-rant.. carry on!

Indeed sexism cuts both ways: Misogyny has its counterpart in misandry. Both are hard to spell but too easy to practice.

Sexism is a social disease.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by alaskaflyfish

Sorry about that, didn't mean to rabbit trail. I find it curious that a single word unrelated to the context of the OP could have upset McBlaze so much. Then, him feverishly trying to connect that word to the Tea Party thru a spider web of circumstance thereby trying to discredit the opinion. That is excellent example "emotionalism" driving context. I hope he is able to recover.

Don't mind me mate.. I'm just trying to be visible..

[Montanan]

AlaskaFlyFish & MacBlaze be like:

[AKA-None]

Arrg you people I thought I was on a cruises forum not a sociology forum. Smile

[TrentePieds]

Originally Posted by Macblaze: "Aaargh...I just can't help myself..."

Of course you can't :-0)! So much of what we Canadians think and say and do came to us by way of Methodism and Fabian Socialism. What a fortunate people we are, eh :-)?

TP

[Argyle38]

Originally Posted by Suijin

Wow, then I think you’re in the minority, or in a really good community, or just plain lucky.

In the east coast of the US you’ll find sexism rampant among male sailors, particularly in the racing community. Annapolis and Newport can be particularly bad. Not to say it’s universal, but I have definitely run into men who claim that woman don’t make good sailors.

And women who have been subjected to that would, I suspect, be sensitized to it online and potentially read it between the lines of online posts.

I think it depends on the culture and ethic of where and who you’re sailing with.

I sail (including racing) in New England and I haven't seen that at all. Not to say that there is not a sexist sailor out there, but it is certainly not rampant in my experience. I have heard people make statements that could be considered sexist, but it is always in the context of a larger disagreement between a male and female. The male may say something sexist in anger, as may the female often enough, but it's because of some larger argument. If it were two guys fighting, they would just use 'different' insulting words.



I can't speak for Newport or Annapolis, but in Long Island Sound there are tonnes of women on the racing boats. Nearly every boat I see has one or two and there are several female skippers that do just fine. Actually, what I often see is quite the opposite. A female that shows real interest and a little competence will often become a prized commodity, sought after by many boats. Maybe that in itself is sexist, but it certainly not a detriment. Kind of like the cute waitress getting bigger tips.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by scarlet

I belong to quite a few sailing communities, on-line because I like to network with other people.. make friends, and learn. Several of them are "women only" sites. I didn't seek out groups for women only, but, as a woman, I did join them when I found them. I find the "women only" groups to be a good source of information, but, no better or worse than any other sailing community, such as this one.

Finding sistership amongst seafarers is a great thing. The best kind of ships, are relationships that become friendships.

[alaskaflyfish]

Originally Posted by Argyle38

I sail (including racing) in New England and I haven't seen that at all. Not to say that there is not a sexist sailor out there, but it is certainly not rampant in my experience. I have heard people make statements that could be considered sexist, but it is always in the context of a larger disagreement between a male and female. The male may say something sexist in anger, as may the female often enough, but it's because of some larger argument. If it were two guys fighting, they would just use 'different' insulting words.



I can't speak for Newport or Annapolis, but in Long Island Sound there are tonnes of women on the racing boats. Nearly every boat I see has one or two and there are several female skippers that do just fine. Actually, what I often see is quite the opposite. A female that shows real interest and a little competence will often become a prized commodity, sought after by many boats. Maybe that in itself is sexist, but it certainly not a detriment. Kind of like the cute waitress getting bigger tips.

Unfortunately, the narrative of every protected victim group requires a villain. To do this you need to create a "boogie man" and then associate your projected group into that boogie man meme. For instance, Suijin saw a man at one time in New England say something to a woman that was believed to be "Sexist" so therefore all men from New England who sail must be sexist, notwithstanding any evidence to the contrary. See how that works? Then afterwards, you can associate all men everywhere who sail- into that group. And finally by retro causality, you can say all men are the Boogie Man. I hope that clears things up.

[wtmf]

i was a buildee for 20 years and have been on the other side of a wall unknown to the women on the other side and the women talk about men and themselves equally crudely, rudely and unfit for mixed company. It has been my experience that men and women are equal in all ways of talking about the other sex. I think women are great and like to see them in what some consider men only activities.
I am a hard core biker, would rather ride my motorcycle than take the car even in the snow and rain, the air is so fresh at those times, sort of like sailing.
I love seeing women riding their own motorcycles I think they are seen by car drivers more and the car drivers may not run us over.
Once the yacht goes in the water I will be looking for a female crew, I am tired of cooking, for bluewater sailing but that is a couple years away.
Happy sailing to all.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by wtmf

i was a buildee for 20 years and have been on the other side of a wall unknown to the women on the other side and the women talk about men and themselves equally crudely, rudely and unfit for mixed company. It has been my experience that men and women are equal in all ways of talking about the other sex. I think women are great and like to see them in what some consider men only activities.
I am a hard core biker, would rather ride my motorcycle than take the car even in the snow and rain, the air is so fresh at those times, sort of like sailing.
I love seeing women riding their own motorcycles I think they are seen by car drivers more and the car drivers may not run us over.
Once the yacht goes in the water I will be looking for a female crew, I am tired of cooking, for bluewater sailing but that is a couple years away.
Happy sailing to all.

Emphasis added, well I guess those comments conform to the subject of a thread titled: Re: Sexism In The Sailing Community

[seabreez]

[QUOTE=We don't elevate our sex by trashing the other. I've gotta think that perhaps some of these woman are guilty of "finding what they are looking for".

Anyway... just a little mini-rant.. carry on![/QUOTE]

Did you know that 9 men out of 10 admitted that women are smarter than them....? However we do not know what happened to the tenth one... hi hi hi...