Northern Europe during Pandemic -- Summers 2020 & 2021 & onwards

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

You Assies have an island somewhere in Pacific where unwanted people are delivered I've heard.. or have you a final solution for that????

We have several foreign islands where 'illegal immigrants' get sent before they get a chance to set foot on Australian soil. Disgusting business supported by all of our main political parties.
A bit like the concentration camps on the border of Belarus.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

I don't know, Ping. I'm a civil libertarian and one part of me says we should respect people's decision to not get vaccinated. The other part of me says those who make that decision are ruining life for the rest of us based on some irrational prejudices and disinformation stpread through social media. So I dont' know.

Its the use of the word 'apartheid' that I object to. People can argue all they like about it being used in the vaccine mandate sense but in polite Afrikaans usage it translated into 'separate development' but was the name for a vicious racist policy. If you were Bantu (what they were called at the time), Natal Indian, or Cape Coloured there was nothing you could do about it except hop on a boat to Canada.

Meanwhile, joke time
'What is the difference between a drain pipe and Henrik Verwoerd?''
"Ones a hollow cylinder, the other is a silly hollander'
He - the father of Apartheid - got what was coming to him..

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

And becouse it's not about the right to be unvaccinated but about the responsibilty to fellow citizens and society. You may call it apartheid or whatever but it's your own choice to be "discriminated" which you can stop yourself..

The New Racism..

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by boatman61

The New Racism..

And its racism how exactly?

Apart from the 'cherman question'.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ital...navirus-surge/

I must admit I never knew there were german speaking parts of Italy.

[Greg K]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

Except that sick UNvaccinated ARE causing hospitals, and especially intensive care units, to reach (and exceed) capacity!

Certainly not the case in the UK. Almost twice the number of vaccinated in ER there than the unvaccinated. Seems to me breakthrough infections are the culprit more than anything else.

No reason to think you will not see the same in Canada. UK had an early start. Give it a few months.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

And its racism how exactly?

Apart from the 'cherman question'.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ital...navirus-surge/

I must admit I never knew there were german speaking parts of Italy.

Picking on minorities.. Again.
Damn Honkies...

[AustinSun]

Originally Posted by Greg K

Certainly not the case in the UK. Almost twice the number of vaccinated in ER there than the unvaccinated. Seems to me breakthrough infections are the culprit more than anything else.

No reason to think you will not see the same in Canada. UK had an early start. Give it a few months.

I am confused how America can have literally over 3 million people gathering for for university football games every weekend with no problem and other countries are locked down.

Can someone explain to me in a logic and fact based way how this is happening?

Not being sarcastic. I want to know how this could be the case.

[Greg K]

Originally Posted by AustinSun

I am confused how America can have literally over 3 million people gathering for for university football games every weekend with no problem and other countries are locked down.

Can someone explain to me in a logic and fact based way how this is happening?

Not being sarcastic. I want to know how this could be the case.

Nothing like a day in the sun to get your Vitamin D. Just a guess.

Here in Med Spain, nobody has worn masks on our dock since day one. A mix of vaxed and not vaxed. Socializing with each other on weekends... drinks, food... more or less like normal. All outdoors. Everybody fine, almost two years now.

[CatNewBee]

It is a pandemy of the unvaccinated, they are not poisoned by the vaccines nor are recovered from covid. They just refused 2 years to get sick. It is the pandemy of the healthy.

I know that scares the sh** out of people with two vaccines and boosters. How dare they!

A pandemy isn't a game, everybody has to contribute it's part to it, either by getting sick or dying or by getting vaccinated (and maybe dying or suffering for the team). Staying healthy is not an acceptible option. Natural immunity even of recovered is widely unacceptable in the USA society, you have to vaccinate regardless of gained immunity by a previous infection. A pandemy is a society effort, you cannot just not participate. The pandemy is so expensive, you cannot waste the ressources, we cannot do one extra for you when it fits your life plan, you have to participate now.

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by AustinSun

I am confused how America can have literally over 3 million people gathering for for university football games every weekend with no problem and other countries are locked down.



Can someone explain to me in a logic and fact based way how this is happening?



Not being sarcastic. I want to know how this could be the case.

No problem? Obviously you are not aware of the higher death rate for the USA:

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by Greg K

Certainly not the case in the UK. Almost twice the number of vaccinated in ER there than the unvaccinated. Seems to me breakthrough infections are the culprit more than anything else.

No reason to think you will not see the same in Canada. UK had an early start. Give it a few months.

Perhaps... Covid-19 has certainly taught most of us never say never....

But the pandemic in the UK has been different, and is currently different from Canada:



Oh by the way, later in 2021, the lack of a big increase in deaths despite the large increase in cases is due to the vaccines preventing/reducing deaths!

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by Greg K

Nothing like a day in the sun to get your Vitamin D. Just a guess.

Here in Med Spain, nobody has worn masks on our dock since day one. A mix of vaxed and not vaxed. Socializing with each other on weekends... drinks, food... more or less like normal. All outdoors. Everybody fine, almost two years now.

Fine not, that's being blind folded stupid and selfish.. Thou the vaccinated are more on the safe side.

[mat jam]

It is safe to say most of you do not consult the experts in the field or have any relevant knowledge on the topic but choose to follow msm talking points. If you actually knew how to do research and look at gov. data that is there but not made easy to find, you would find,

85% hospitalized are shot
95% dead are shot

If you have not been shot you should really avoid those that have been as shedding is a major issue.

There is a lot of factual info but almost none here. If you csn not do proper reasearch that is on you. Cancers are off the charts as your ability to suppress them has been nutralized. As have been all other ailments. Good luck cause your gonna need it.

If you repeat a lie enough loudly most will believe it. What do you guys get out of this nonsense? How do you profit?

Dr Martin who is exposing this nonsense.

https://humansarefree.com/2021/11/dr...-humanity.html

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Greg K

Certainly not the case in the UK. Almost twice the number of vaccinated in ER there than the unvaccinated. Seems to me breakthrough infections are the culprit more than anything else.

No reason to think you will not see the same in Canada. UK had an early start. Give it a few months.

Over 90% of adults in the UK are vaccinated. So vaccinated people can be almost 10x less likely to end up in the hospital and still make up an equal number of people in the hospital. So drawing conclusions about vaccine effectiveness, from the number of vaccinated people in the hospital, is a logical fallacy. You can't understand vaccine effectiveness like that. You have to look at the hospitalization RATE between vaccinated and unvaccinated:


https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/d...eeks-41-44.pdf


Presently in the UK the unvaccinated are hospitalized at 3x the rate of the unvaccinated. In some age groups, unvaccinated are being hospitalized at 20x the rate of the vaccinated.


Breakthrough infections happen more and more as effectiveness wears off over time. But breakthrough infections of vaccinated people are overwhelmingly much more mild than infections of vaccinated people. Only small proportion of people with breakthrough infections end up in the hospital.

The other way vaccinated people end up in the hospital is when they are immuno-compromised to begin with. Vaccines work by training your immune system. It's your immune system, not the vaccine, which fights the virus. The vaccines work little or not at all for people with immune systems seriously weakened by other conditions or treatments for other diseases. Colin Powell is a good example of this kind of case.

[GordMay]

Protests erupt over COVID restrictions and COVID-19 passes mandated in many European countries

[Austria, Switzerland, Croatia, Italy, Northern Ireland, Netherlands, and France/Guadeloupe]

➥ https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/20...-italy-croatia