Mah mah mah mah myyy carona (my experience with it and some thoughts)

[Westcliffe01]

The reason there was a revolution against the British was than under crown rule, individual rights were not recognised. The US constitution is about recognizing individual rights vs the peasants needing to ask permission for everything they do.


The lockdowns and hundreds of executive orders (autocratic rule without representation) that have been a feature of life since March is absolutely a violation of peoples rights. There is no scientific evidence that there has been any benefit to society from all this unilateral action and there has doubtless been considerable harm. If each of us had to get a bill for the money printed in the last 6 months, it would be for $6000 for every man woman and child in this country. Thats regardless of whether you lost your job, your business folded or whatever. The average household would have to come up with another $24k or more to pay for all the unilateral action.


Free people are able to weigh the risks. Decide whether to stay open or close or to go to work. Stay at your primary residence or move to a secondary residence because it is in a more favorable and less populated location. We have not had these choices. No right to assembly, but violent protest apparently is OK as is the burning down of cities by socialist anarchists (antifa).


In the end, it is probably going to be determined that very few were saved, more were killed than needed due to over reaction and by following dogma in the treatment regime and the prohibition of certain remedies because of the president advocating for it. Very different outcomes for doctors in TX who didnt have a single covid patient die on them vs NYC where you were going to die regardless of age and health after they sedated you for weeks on a respirator because thats what the governor said was needed.


People with rights want to be left alone to pursue health and happiness and make their own decisions and not have big brother telling us when we can go to the bathroom, or go to work or run the business that you spent your life building.

Originally Posted by daletournier

We have the luxury of conspiracy due the affluence and freedom we currently have as a result of having democracy and "rights"....after spending many years around people that just dont have the same "rights" as us, I struggle with our western "we have rights and we deserve" mentality...we are very spoilt bunch.

Hmmm, I'm not sure what happened here BUT I did not right the above?[/QUOTE]

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Cadence

I'll bet typhoid Mary was a carrier? You are right on the economics and what about education? I can't help but think online is not the same as in class room instruction although that probably depends on the individual in a non technical
pursuit of higher education.
K/12 will go down the tubes

Well with luck online education may decrease some of the Woke/LBGT/Lefty crap being fed into young minds that should be concentrating on the Three R's not Drag Queens and why mommy makes Tommy wear dresses.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Westcliffe01

Free people are able to weigh the risks.

Does this freedom include the right to not be infected by other people and their behaviour?

In the end, it is probably going to be determined that very few were saved, more were killed than needed due to over reaction and by following dogma in the treatment regime and the prohibition of certain remedies because of the president advocating for it.

priceless. thanks for that laugh. I had almost forgotten about all that.

Very different outcomes for doctors in TX who didnt have a single covid patient die on them.

Are you saying that no Texan has died of COVID-19?

[boatman61]

Sandwich making factory in UK closes due to large outbreak of Covid amonst its workers.
Scientist's say there's no cause fot concern as there is no evidence that Covid can be spread by food..
Gotta laugh.. 😀😀😀

[Creedence]

“No cause for concern”. Talk about a hell of a bold assertion in this day and age! We need to heckle them until they share their source for that claim. (2020 disclaimer: jokes can still be fun if properly employed [secondary disclaimer: I never asserted funNY]).

Just don’t breathe on my ham sandwich and I’ll eat it. All I’m hearing these days (and I absolutely do not vouch for the credibility of this claim since medical professionals seem to have built this upon shifting sands) is that it’s a respiratory virus and spread through inhalation or through mucosal surfaces like the eyes rather than surface contact.

And given that, (Asked somewhat rhetorically, but mostly not, why have face shields yet to have taken off?)

[Westcliffe01]

How have you made out in flu season ? Never got the flu ? So how is it supposed to be different with this virus that it seems is less lethal than a few prior flu seasons we have had in the US and in the EU ?


If you dont want any risk of exposure to others, best stay in your bunker. Or hire someone to drop off your shopping at your door. Most of the people who have already died were already in nursing homes. They were not going to the supermarket, work or other public places as it was. apparently no-one cares about the less than sanitary care that they received and totally ineffective sterilization of the staff who run the place. But this is not news, we know that these places are frequently condemned by the local health dept and is the place where we send our elders to wait for God.

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Does this freedom include the right to not be infected by other people and their behaviour?

[Yihang]

Originally Posted by Westcliffe01

How have you made out in flu season ? Never got the flu ? So how is it supposed to be different with this virus that it seems is less lethal than a few prior flu seasons we have had in the US and in the EU ?


If you dont want any risk of exposure to others, best stay in your bunker. Or hire someone to drop off your shopping at your door. Most of the people who have already died were already in nursing homes. They were not going to the supermarket, work or other public places as it was. apparently no-one cares about the less than sanitary care that they received and totally ineffective sterilization of the staff who run the place. But this is not news, we know that these places are frequently condemned by the local health dept and is the place where we send our elders to wait for God.

I think there is pretty clear evidence by looking at the US curve since reopening that the few states that have a large anti masking movement have been leading the charge, where as in new york where most people are wearing them have slowed down dramatically.

You are in the land of the free and it is your right to do what ever you want. If you want to make a political statement by not wearing a mast then thats your god given right.

God bless you and the state of Michigan. I have friends going to Umich right now and friends working in Chicago. So i just want to say for the last time. If you have a mask please wear it for other people's sake. But ultimately that is your choice.

[PickledHerrings]

Definately a polarizing issue, esp. where people are afraid for their and their loved one's lives!
New to the thread here and haven't yet read past the first page of posts.


I, like many, was about to go cruising long-term when this virus hit. I have long been a person interested in the subject so it was quite fascinating at the least and alarming at minimum.
Being on a boat and only getting supplies every month or so and wearing real PPE gear I was quite surprised to find I came down with it in late spring.

Recovery has been a long and sometimes scary road and though it's been months of healing I fear my lungs will bear the scars for a long time yet to come.

Needing to change my cruising plans was inconvenient but obviously understandable in helping to contain it.
I do wish there was the means to show I am clear now and could enter a new country without bringing danger to those who I meet so that I could resume my international cruising plans.


The ONLY positive thing I can say about it for myself is unless it mutates at least I have survived it -for now.


I believe we should have closed the entire world down and traced every contact.


I think we should do everything we can to continue to stop the spread.
If we don't it will mutate and who knows what changes then?
The more who get it the greater the odds it could become worse.


It's a real scary illness.

[Yihang]

Originally Posted by PickledHerrings

Definately a polarizing issue, esp. where people are afraid for their and their loved one's lives!
New to the thread here and haven't yet read past the first page of posts.


I, like many, was about to go cruising long-term when this virus hit. I have long been a person interested in the subject so it was quite fascinating at the least and alarming at minimum.
Being on a boat and only getting supplies every month or so and wearing real PPE gear I was quite surprised to find I came down with it in late spring.

Recovery has been a long and sometimes scary road and though it"a been months of healing 67I fear my lungs will bear the scars for a long time yet to come.


The ONLY positive thing I can say about it for myself is unless it mutates at least I have survived it -for now.


I believe we should have closed the entire world down and traced every contact.



I think we should do everything we can to continue to stop the spread.
If we don't it will mutate and who knows what changes then?



It's a real scary illness.

The 1918 Flu was deadliest when it mutated and started the second and third waves.

I am pussy and am very happy to be in a place with very tight government control regarding the spread of this disease.

[Westcliffe01]

Stop with the mask thing. Its the law now, like it or not. Cant enter a building without one. But you shouldn't have to wear one in your car or your own house. The test technicians and model shop people at work have to wear a mask for 10 hours a day, and gloves, and wash hands dozens of times a day. The people who take their temperatures at the only entrance wear tyvek suits, masks and face shields. Yet, despite all this prep we were still shut down for months when this started and automotive was one of the last industries to be brought back online. This cost 1/3 of the people working at my office their jobs at a time like this.... I have to wonder how many suicides resulted ?

Originally Posted by Yihang

I think there is pretty clear evidence by looking at the US curve since reopening that the few states that have a large anti masking movement have been leading the charge, where as in new york where most people are wearing them have slowed down dramatically.

You are in the land of the free and it is your right to do what ever you want. If you want to make a political statement by not wearing a mast then thats your god given right.

God bless you and the state of Michigan. I have friends going to Umich right now and friends working in Chicago. So i just want to say for the last time. If you have a mask please wear it for other people's sake. But ultimately that is your choice.

[Yihang]

Unfortunately im assuming the state reopening guideline means only when cases reach a certain point will the factories open? Otherwise if you reopen early then we know what happens. The sad thing is when this leads to large public protests it inevitably leads to more cases so the vicious cycle continues.

[Yihang]

The factories were the first to open in china. They have been open since late march. Times like this policy makers need to make smart decisions.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Westcliffe01

How have you made out in flu season ? Never got the flu ? So how is it supposed to be different with this virus ... ?

Unlike COVID-19, if you get the flu, you almost always know it. So going out and infecting others when you know you have the flu is even more irresponsible. So, no different; people still have the right to not be infected by your actions.


btw you're going to find that flu deaths will be way down this year because of the COVID-19 measures.

[UFO]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

btw you're going to find that flu deaths will be way down this year because of the COVID-19 measures.

Either that or or all the people that died of Covid were the ones going to die of the Flu or more probable were the ones that died of the flu.

[Westcliffe01]

So you think you have a "right" to not be infected by a virus and presumably also the right to be "out and about" while living in a crowded metropolis ? I dont know who is going to rule that you have a right to not get a disease. It sounds like a violation of natural law.

I think you have a right to self isolate and the right to be a prepper and hoard yourself a food supply that doesn't require you to go out and be in contact with potentially infected people who have no symptoms.... If you make no preparations and then have to leave to visit shops frequented by tens of thousands of people daily, you are delusional if you think anyone can protect you from becoming exposed to a virus. Maybe dress up in a drysuit and use a self contained breathing apparatus and then have your family hose you down with bleach when you get home before you get out the now sterilized drysuit.

But then the virus is probably on every item you just bought from all those symptom free mask wearing employees who wipe their nose on the back of their sleeve every few minutes (lets just be real - no-one controls the behavior of these people and they will behave like people, which is imperfect - period).

So good luck with that right, I dont think you have it and you are not going to get it regardless of what politicians promise or how they name their executive orders.

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Unlike COVID-19, if you get the flu, you almost always know it. So going out and infecting others when you know you have the flu is even more irresponsible. So, no different; people still have the right to not be infected by your actions.


btw you're going to find that flu deaths will be way down this year because of the COVID-19 measures.