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Old 06-10-2021, 20:20   #1
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Two people dead after sailboat capsized

I've been seeing this for a few days but no post on CF.


https://www.kptv.com/news/two-people...753ad3f8e.html
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Sad, very sad, I wonder what the circumstances were where they couldnít even make a Mayday call and had to be found. Letís see what the investigation reveals.

Condolences to friends and family.
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Re: Two people dead after sailboat capsized

Wonder how they know it capsized?

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Re: Two people dead after sailboat capsized

capsize

cap∑​size | \ ˈkap-ˌsīz

, kap-ˈsīz \

capsized; capsizing

Definition of capsize

transitive verb
: to cause to overturn capsize a canoe

intransitive verb
: to become upset or overturned : turn over the canoe capsized

I suppose by definition, it did capsize when it grounded. It may mean something different for someone in the sailing community. But for daily readers it may be a term not needing the same scrutiny.
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Old 06-10-2021, 22:07   #5
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Re: Two people dead after sailboat capsized

looks like it might be a good example of waiting till you have to step up into the life raft
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Re: Two people dead after sailboat capsized

How very sad.



Given the damaged state of the starboard gunwales, the debris on top of the starboard side and the mud / sand on the sails it certainly looks as if the boat was thrown on her beam ends. Article says people witnessed it in surf and it doesn't look like they had enough sail up to beat off a lee-shore so can only assume conditions were very bad on Sunday as indicated by a second rescue the same day.



I always thought "cap size" was the number given to a hat to match it to ones head.
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Some back story from facebook
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Re: Two people dead after sailboat capsized

Up at 4am, in their 70’s, it could be as simple as inattention or nodding off or disoriented.

All those things have happened to us, but for the grace of God, the consequences have been minimal, so far.

That big chunk of topsides pulled out is curious, it seems attached to the shroud. Perhaps they were struck?

I read this and I see me. Very sad story.
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Sad, very sad, I wonder what the circumstances were where they couldn’t even make a Mayday call and had to be found. Let’s see what the investigation reveals.
The informed speculation is that they tried to enter Rockaway Bar for refuge after encountering 12' seas that were present that night. The inlet looks navigable from the charts but due to the surf is all but impossible in a keelboat during the daytime with favorable weather and tides, let alone at night in poor conditions.

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Wonder how they know it capsized?
Capsizes are common on that shore due to the breakers.

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looks like it might be a good example of waiting till you have to step up into the life raft
Probably not

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Up at 4am, in their 70’s, it could be as simple as inattention or nodding off or disoriented.

In 14' seas more likely puking their guts out and willing to try anything to make the world stop.


It appears to me that they undertook a difficult passage without realizing it and without preparing. Weather deteriorates in the fall, seas are rough even for experienced sailors and there no safe harbors in that area -- just places like Rockaway Bar that look safe on the chart but aren't. Once you depart you're committed, it's 150 miles to the next safe harbor.
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Re: Two people dead after sailboat capsized

Very sad when I saw the news reports.
When coming or going out of Astoria I would stop and say hello to Jim.
Last time I saw him in August he said he want to head to California.
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I doubt that they were trying to get into Nehalem Bay. They were locals and presumably knew better than that. More likely trying to approach Tillamook Bay entrance (two or three more miles) and got pushed into the surf on the lee shore. Though I doubt that the Tillamook Bar would have been much more fun to try that day.

FWIW, when I saw the disintegrated companionway/cockpit area, my first thought was "propane explosion." But I suppose that bashing around in the surf is an adequate explanation for the damage.
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Re: Two people dead after sailboat capsized

Be interestingto seethe results of an investigation, the solar panels are ok, and there's that gunk on the jib. And what's that sticking out of the cabin?
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Re: Two people dead after sailboat capsized

The starboard side seems completely shattered and I don't understand what we are seeing in the shambles of the cockpit or the ruins of something on the starboard gunnel.

Possibly the boat landed on the starboard side in the surf then was wave tossed around onto the port side. That is not usually how it happens. But it looks like to me that something strongly impacted the starboard side.

I'd guess the jib was stained by oil or paint on a prior occasion.

It also appears that the mainsail was intentionally furled and tied around the boom.

I think these people were dealing with a very tough situation and unfortunately it got the better of them.
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Does anyone know what make the boat was?
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Re: Two people dead after sailboat capsized

Sad..
I am quite confused. These people probably had more experience than me and live in a very harsh area. I remember once getting caught in 40 knot winds and 12-15ft seas and getting dark coming back from Santa Cruz on my way to Ventura in a Hunter 36. I called the Coast Guard to let them know my location and that if they did not hear from every 15 minutes then I was in trouble. My wife and I were cool and collected..but concerned. The Coast Guard was very understanding and we felt relieved that someone was keeping an eye on us.
I do not understand why these folks did not contact the coast guard to let them know their situation...no mayday, nothing. I can only conclude that either their radio was down...they fell asleep at the wheel...confused as to their location at night or totally caught by surprise.
So sad to hear about this. Reading a story like this only reminds me to keep respecting the seas and it keeps me on my toes when I start getting complacent and too comfy.

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