Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 10-01-2014, 15:52   #121
Registered User
 
Hillbillylad's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Boat: Westerly Centaur
Posts: 207
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
US boat builders obviously operate under different rules then.. every non/pre production boat I've owned has had its 'ships number' inscribed into a permanent fixture.. this is separate from any registration number..
This evolved into a HIN number when plastic went mass..
My, very British Westerly Centaur doesn't. I hunted everywhere for one and contacted Trafalgar house about it too. No numbers apparently on an old 1969 boat. However, I did find a builders number pencilled on some door panels along with the sail number, so I would use them I reckon.
As far as this saga goes, it won't stop me in my plan to head eventually to Mexico. I find them delightful people.
__________________

__________________
Hillbillylad is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-01-2014, 16:44   #122
Moderator
 
Boracay's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Pelican Bay, Great Sandy National Park
Boat: Steel Roberts Offshore 44
Posts: 5,175
Images: 18
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

My boat was amateur built in Oz and has a HIN "riveted" in a couple of places to the hull.

If the Mexican authorities are requiring a HIN number then there may be some way of legally acquiring one.

In NSW, Oz there are licensed HIN providers who will attach them. Maybe there are people like this in Mexico?
__________________

__________________
Rust never sleeps
Boracay Blog.
Boracay is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-01-2014, 19:55   #123
Registered User
 
leftbrainstuff's Avatar

Join Date: May 2011
Location: San Francisco and Australia
Boat: Liberty 458
Posts: 1,979
Quote:
Originally Posted by svquintana View Post
I don't know about this Mexico problem, but for those who blame the officials for having different rules in each port, or enforcing or not enforcing laws as you think they should. Have you ever cruised in the USA?

A foreign boat must check into each port (that's the law, and written on the cruising permit), or risk a minimum $5000 fine and possibly lose their boat.

Now that you know the terms of the cruising permit, just try checking with customs at every port! Most have no idea what you're talking about, but if you don't have a clearance number for each port, you can be sure when the customs gunboat comes calling, that those chums know the law, and how you can be screwed by it.

Most folks ignore calling in as it's a hassle, esp with customs not knowing what to do with you. We always call and just get the officer's name, if they don't have a clearance number for us. Would that be sufficient proof for the gunboat? I don't know, but it's a compromise I'm willing to make.

99% of cruisers I've met on the east coast never call, it's just how it's done, and customs seems happier that way. But man, what a blow up there would be on this forum if one day DHS, or some other agency decides to swarm the cruisers on the east coast and seize their boats. I can tell you one thing for sure, you don't get to stay on your boat in the USA if it's been seized.

The letter of the law is not always followed, even by the enforcers of said law, even in those countries who think of themselves as better than Mexico.

Every country I've visited has specific laws governing us cruisers. But those customs agents you meet with, won't look fondly on you if you try to tell them their jobs. If they do it one way, and you quote the law to them, you'll regret it every time. You just have to go with the flow, as much as you can, and sometimes the officialdom will bite you in the ass. But usually, in the end, you'll be Jake.

For those who don't know, West Palm Beach, and south, have entirely different rules (not laws) than anywhere north. We almost got our boat impounded because the fellow at the desk decided that what's written on the cruising permit, and what's followed by every other customs office was not how it's done in Fla. He told me "That's not how it's done here in Florida"!

My crime: arriving from Puerto Rico at 2am and waiting for the office to open at 9am before checking into the port. For the record, I have 24 hours to check in if I'm not coming from "foreign". I double checked this info before leaving Puerto Rico, just in case we landed somewhere remote.

Anyway. It's a shame, but remember, it could easily happen in the USA too. Only it would be all us Canadians, and others, ranting on the web.

Cheers, and learn your own county's rules, before casting stones.

Paul.
That's a good distinction between rules and law. In our experience it's important to build the right relationship when dealing with officialdom. Especially when we haven't got a clue what the rules are.

In Australia we have some weird and sometimes stupid legislation and plenty of mindless beauracracy. As cruisers we see ourselves as ambassadors for Australia and cruisers. We always try to leave a good impression and a small footprint.

We plan to cruise Mexico soon. I think I'll be baking some yummy treats in each marina. Nobody can resist baked goods.
__________________
leftbrainstuff is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-01-2014, 20:24   #124
Registered User
 
Caribsailors's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere in the Caribbean
Boat: Beneteau First 38
Posts: 308
Images: 23
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckman View Post
Has anyone contacted the US consulate in Mexico ? Would be interested in what they have to say.
HAHAHA

Rule #2

You're not at home
__________________
As I sit, a swirling sea of passion gives it's poems in waves underneath me.
The whispers of the sun in my eyes, a silence within.
Rhythm of the surf, drums of the sea. Thoughts tumble and toss about the deep blue abyss inside me, where the love of you dwells.
I'm fighting currents to get back to you, listening to the flow of your liquid language as you beckon me, "Come Play"
Mariners Cove, CI. Anonymous.
Caribsailors is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-01-2014, 21:27   #125
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: north carolina
Boat: command yachtsdouglas32
Posts: 3,113
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by leftbrainstuff View Post
That's a good distinction between rules and law. In our experience it's important to build the right relationship when dealing with officialdom. Especially when we haven't got a clue what the rules are.

In Australia we have some weird and sometimes stupid legislation and plenty of mindless beauracracy. As cruisers we see ourselves as ambassadors for Australia and cruisers. We always try to leave a good impression and a small footprint.

We plan to cruise Mexico soon. I think I'll be baking some yummy treats in each marina. Nobody can resist baked goods.
we are all going to be affected by all countrys with maritime borders from here on out when it comes to bringing vehicals of any sort into there countrys...Every country is "inacting" new rules and regs..We are in a changing world, much like we were in 1914..I believe Princepi did his dirty work in 1914 and look where that led the world!! Indoneisia has just detained several chinese ships for violating "new rules/laws" that were not in place a few weeks ago(not sure about the the time line)lots of things are changing at land based borders also..If one will connect the dots just using the threads that have come across CF in the last few months alone, we can see that there have been many complaints or mis-understandings about rules /regs being "different from the norm" and I think that is because there aint nothing normal anymore...could be wrong ..naah,Im correct, my well known world(49yrs of it)is GONE, for good Im afraid..
__________________
tropicalescape is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-01-2014, 10:16   #126
Nearly an old salt
 
goboatingnow's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,649
Images: 3
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestialsailor View Post
You probably shouldn't be stating this stuff on an open forum like this.
Why not a HIN is not a statutory issue you can make up your own if the boat doesn't have one

Dave
__________________
Check out my new blog on smart boat technology, networking and gadgets for the connected sailor! - http://smartboats.tumblr.com
goboatingnow is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-01-2014, 10:30   #127
Registered User
 
Stu Jackson's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cowichan Bay, BC (Maple Bay Marina)
Posts: 6,389
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestialsailor View Post
Everything seems to be unraveling in the media now. You should see the articles on different news medias.
The Associated Press "report" was published in the SF Chronicle this morning (Saturday, January 11).
__________________
Stu Jackson
Catalina 34 #224 (1986) C34IA Secretary
Cowichan Bay, BC, (Maple Bay Marina) SR/FK, M25, Rocna 10 (22#) (NZ model)
Stu Jackson is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-01-2014, 10:32   #128
Resin Head
 
minaret's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Seattle WA
Boat: Nauticat
Posts: 7,201
Images: 52
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by goboatingnow View Post
Why not a HIN is not a statutory issue you can make up your own if the boat doesn't have one

Dave


Exactly. I've engraved or laminated over many a hull number as part of a refit. I can't believe anyone would paint one out.
__________________
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,

Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
minaret is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-01-2014, 10:51   #129
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Sanibel, FL
Boat: currently a power boat :(
Posts: 251
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

This was posted a few days ago:
"Hussong, vice commodore of Club Nautico Baja, a Mexican Yacht Club, is often working as a liaison between the two countries during international yacht races like the Newport to Ensenada Race.
In his talks with officials, Hussong said he was told that boat owners will have 72 days to present the right documentation for their boats, but the boats will still remain under embargo for 45 to 120 days."

So if anyone has had their boat released I suppose they were extremely fortunate...
__________________
Regards,
Skye
Blue Skye is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-01-2014, 11:01   #130
Registered User
 
Stu Jackson's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cowichan Bay, BC (Maple Bay Marina)
Posts: 6,389
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY View Post
Some days I would give my left nut for a spell check program on CF.
I use iespell for spell checking on ALL the 'sites I visit. Most website spell checkers are pretty clunky, but this one works, although you have to deal with individual words, unlike, say, Word. I run it on both XP on the desktop and W7 64 bit on the laptop. Don't know if it works on phones, pads or tablets. Quick download from the Microsoft website.
__________________
Stu Jackson
Catalina 34 #224 (1986) C34IA Secretary
Cowichan Bay, BC, (Maple Bay Marina) SR/FK, M25, Rocna 10 (22#) (NZ model)
Stu Jackson is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-01-2014, 11:52   #131
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 196
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Any TIP/AGACE raids happening on Caribbean side?
__________________
Svdestiny is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-01-2014, 12:41   #132
Registered User
 
w32honu's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New Hampshire
Boat: Custom Marples 40 FC
Posts: 432
Images: 2
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caribsailors View Post
HAHAHA

Rule #2

You're not at home
What is Rule #1.?
__________________
w32honu is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-01-2014, 12:56   #133
Registered User
 
svmariane's Avatar

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Currently in South Pacific. Home Port: Vienna, Austria
Boat: Celestial, Stay'sl-Rigged Sloop, 48 ft
Posts: 1,164
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by w32honu View Post
What is Rule #1.?
Rule #1: When in Rome...
__________________
"Being offended is not the same thing as being right." Dave Barry.
Note: Offense is always taken, never given.
When life hands you lemons..... add gin & tonic!
svmariane is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-01-2014, 13:21   #134
Moderator
 
JPA Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 10,712
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Given the lack of HIN numbers on older boats, perhaps the Mexican authorities could have that fact explained. Even though the manner in which some of their representatives have tried to enforce their laws seems unfair to us, they are still trying to do what they've been told to do--and it's their country.

It seems a great shame that no one encouraged them to add a "where applicable" next to the legislation about the HIN. Most likely, what they really want is an easy way to identify the boat.

Zeehag, if your boat doesn't have an HIN, what did they accept in its stead?

I understand the temptation to make up one and add it if you don't have an HIN, but I think it sets a poor precedent. Advocating such and justifying it by saying other cruisers are doing it is something I'm afraid could cause a great deal more trouble and I advise against. Just what we need, the Mexicans as a group of people coming to think the cruisers cannot be trusted.

Thank you for considering this, the importance of leaving a "clean wake", for we cruisers are minor league ambassadors, wherever we go.
__________________
Ann, with Jim, aboard US s/v Insatiable II, in Oz, very long term cruisers
JPA Cate is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 11-01-2014, 13:33   #135
Guy
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: So. Oregon, USA
Boat: Seafarer36c
Posts: 4,308
Re: Impounded boats in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by Svdestiny View Post
Any TIP/AGACE raids happening on Caribbean side?
Not sure where the reporter got that from. I have not talked to anyone who has even heard of the whole issue. I'm sure there are some but it's not common knowledge. The marina operators seem oblivious to the problem
As I mentioned in another post, the only issue that is a problem is coming to the east cost of Mexico from the US without some sort of zarpe. That however, is not a problem caused by the Mexicans but the US government. How two offices of the same department in the same city (Key West) don't know what to do is beyond me.
__________________

__________________
Guy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply

Tags
Mexico

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:18.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.