Running out of diesel, no wind.

[sailormed]

It looks like Canadians love to glide passenger planes.
I think this incident is holding the world record for gliding a commercial passenger plane.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236

[Seman]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Sailing a wee boat, we too are bound to tie stuff on deck.

There is a reversed zodiac on the foredeck and water jugs midships.

All tied down well. Still, there have been small accidents when big waves overpowered us.

But we never carry spare diesel (on deck). This is a sailing boat. One tank is enough, and if we carry two extra jugs in the lockers, it is just in case of some dire emergency, say the rig goes overboard (touch wood).

Sailing from the West Indies to Canary Islands (3k miles, mostly upwind and calms) we used zero (null, 0) liters of diesel for propulsion. The only time the engine was up was to keep it nicely oiled and make sure it starts should we need it in haste.

I am not sure how people in sailing boats run out of fuel. Bad boats, bad sailors or both?

b.

Not everybody has the time to sail 3000nm in 2 month, Barnakiel.

[Talbot]

Originally Posted by Sailorbob8599

Air Canada can claim bragging rights & provide documented evidence of how well a loaded, twin-engine Boeing 767 passenger plane did glide for almost half an hour, to land on a disused WWII airfield being used for car races.

They also made a good film of this.

IIRC The pilot was an experienced glider pilot as well. Apparently when they tried to reproduce the situation in a simulator, most pilots were unable to match his capability and crashed.

IIRC this was another ran out of fuel saga where someone got the calculations wrong on fuel requirements.

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by Talbot

They also made a good film of this.

IIRC The pilot was an experienced glider pilot as well. Apparently when they tried to reproduce the situation in a simulator, most pilots were unable to match his capability and crashed.

IIRC this was another ran out of fuel saga where someone got the calculations wrong on fuel requirements.

Gimli Glider.
Combination of incorrectly converting Imperial measurements to metric and and electronics fault that misreported fuel status.

[a64pilot]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Gimli Glider.

Combination of incorrectly converting Imperial measurements to metric and and electronics fault that misreported fuel status.

I believe there was more to it than that.
If I understand correctly, the fuel gauges were inop, and they knew they didn’t work, but it was assumed that they weren’t needed, cause if you program the fuel computer with the amount of fuel on board, it measures very accurately the fuel as it used, so you always know the amount of fuel on board.
Of course it will believe anything you tell it, and it was told incorrect fuel weight. Aircraft usually use weight as opposed to volume for fuel.

So, as it is with most accidents, it’s was a chain of events that led up to the accident, if the fuel gauges worked it wouldn’t have happened, if they had used the correct weight of fuel it would not have happened etc.

Just like it was a chain of events that led to a successful outcome, if he hadn’t been stationed there in the Military, he would never have thought about it as a a landing area, it wasn’t on any maps of course, cause it was closed. If he didn’t have Military training they likely wouldn’t have made it and if he hadn’t flown many different airframes and had the ability to use knowledge gained from different airframes, they likely wouldn’t have made it.
This is what is common in this incident and the Miracle on the Hudson.

This accident is an example of Pilots without other than normal training and experience in many different airframes. One thing that took so long in discovering the causes of the crash, was the investigators disbelief in that it could happen that way, that a pilot could actually not recognize a stall for that long and not simply push forward on the control yoke and break the stall.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

[pskudlarski]

I am wondering if it woudn't make sense to mount an outboard on a modified travelling bracket (like in small motor boats but with larger that typical 15'' vertical travel).
This would serve triple purpose:

1) make lifting engine out of dingy easier,
2) allow use of outboard as described by OP,
3) allow use of outboard as a stern thruster.

what do you think?

[a64pilot]

They used the stern boarding ladder, which to me is pretty smart. No major serious modification to the vessel, since most fold up and down, drop it and attach the outboard to the ladder, and Bob’s your Uncle.

What does that mean anyway, Why would Bob being your Uncle make a difference ?

[dancor01]

When I was building my 46 trimaran the plan called for a 35 gallons tank.
Phoned the architect about it cause did find that was a bit small. Is answer was. ?It is a sailboat. if you need more then that. Get a motor boat.

[az_r2d1]

Originally Posted by Seman

]A friend of mine run out of diesel in the South Pacific on his Beneteau 400. He still had about 40lt of Petrol (gas) left. Here is his report:

It's a SAILboat. Sail the damn thing.
Oh and tell him to either sell the boat or plan his fuel consumptions/refuel better.

what the hell.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

What does that mean anyway, Why would Bob being your Uncle make a difference ?

In the late 1800's if Uncle Bob is Prime Minister, it is easy to get a plum job (Robert Cecil/Artur Balfour).

[a64pilot]

I looked it up, that is a likely explanation, but in truth it seems no one knows the origin of the expression.

[JPA Cate]

I've heard it expressed, "Bob's your uncle, and Penny's your aunt", so something to do with British money.

Gotta love those glider/airline pilots. The Americans had at least one, "Solly" Sollenberger (sp?), who glided his aircraft to a safe river landing in NYC, and later became a Congressman from Calif.

Ann

[StuM]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

I've heard it expressed, "Bob's your uncle, and Penny's your aunt", so something to do with British money.

Guess that's been Bowdlerised over time. It always used to be "Fanny"

[picklesandjesse]

Originally Posted by dancor01

When I was building my 46 trimaran the plan called for a 35 gallons tank.
Phoned the architect about it cause did find that was a bit small. Is answer was. ?It is a sailboat. if you need more then that. Get a motor boat.

We had an F and C 44 a few years ago and Frers said on the first page of the boat manual that there is only 40 gals of fuel because you will sail this boat, I think it carried about 160 gals of water.

[picklesandjesse]

Originally Posted by StuM

Guess that's been Bowdlerised over time. It always used to be "Fanny"

Yes it was Fanny. And 'Daisy's your maid' finished it.