Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 16-10-2016, 14:31   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: St Louis, MO
Boat: Nordic 44
Posts: 81
Rigging and reusing old parts.

I have 15 yr old running rigging on a 44' Nordic. It was done with Norseman parts. Can I use the Norseman bits again ? I am talking about studs, turnbuckles, eyes, insulators. Assume of course there is no evidence of fractures. Thanks.
__________________

__________________
pitlaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2016, 14:51   #2
Senior Cruiser
 
Jim Cate's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 9,461
Send a message via Skype™ to Jim Cate
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Generically, yes, those parts should be reusable. unfortunately, Norseman, AKA Navtech (?) has ceased production, and the replacement cones (required for re-use of the terminals) are not currently available. This is a real PITA for those of us who use the norseman gear, purchased in good faith.

There have been folks who are considering manufacturing the cones to fill the void, but AFAIK none are currently on the market. Considering the vast number of users around the world, seems a great place for a small CNC shop to make an honest buck and also help out a lot of yotties (and other users).

Jim
__________________

__________________
Jim and Ann
s/v Insatiable II, lying Iluka NSW
Jim Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2016, 14:57   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: St Louis, MO
Boat: Nordic 44
Posts: 81
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Thanks Jim
I picked up a Lewmar catalog at the recent Annapolis boat show, edition 14 (oldcatalogue?). I shows Norseman and cones. So maybe I should ask Lewmar about availability of cones?
__________________
pitlaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2016, 15:04   #4
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2005
Boat: Outbound 44
Posts: 3,390
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

You can ask, but there aren't many sizes available. If they come apart cleanly with no damage, it is possible to re-use the cone. If you search Norseman here on CF you will find some posts that give rigging shops that may have some of the sizes and you can see th eletter that Navtec/Lewmar posted indicating they were dropping support.
__________________
Paul L
http://svjeorgia.blogspot.com
Paul L is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2016, 17:50   #5
Senior Cruiser
 
Ann T. Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 7,349
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Hi, Pitlaw,

Fwiw, we recently had to replace Norseman T-balls. The fittings we got were from an outfit in New Zealand, called Sea Rig. Although they are direct replacement, it was necessary to bend them a bit in a press so that they led fair. I am told it is not uncommon to have to bend them a bit.

Ann
__________________
Ann & Jim, U.S. s/v Insatiable II, free at last, will check in when in internet range
Ann T. Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2016, 12:34   #6
Registered User
 
Dougtiff's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: San Rafael, Ca.
Boat: Gaff rigged Ketch[Spray]37' on deck
Posts: 87
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

If the cones are in good shape, it is O.K. to reuse them, which i do as a rigger.
__________________
Dougtiff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2016, 12:58   #7
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,969
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Just to keep things straight... Running rigging is those ropey thingies... "Standing" is what you're after...
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2016, 13:57   #8
Senior Cruiser
 
Jim Cate's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 9,461
Send a message via Skype™ to Jim Cate
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougtiff View Post
If the cones are in good shape, it is O.K. to reuse them, which i do as a rigger.
Doug, I've wondered about this for years, and you are the first non-layman who has advocated this practice. With the Norseman situation as it is, and me with all norseman terminals on this boat, I am certainly interested!! So, how do you define "in good shape"? IME, the cones usually have visible marks where the wire strands have lain against the cone. Is that OK? How about small nicks earned when driving the cone off of the core wires? And so on...

Hopefully some intrepid machine shop will step into the breach and start manufacturing new ones, but until that day your suggestions are most interesting for lots of yotties.

Jim
__________________
Jim and Ann
s/v Insatiable II, lying Iluka NSW
Jim Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2016, 13:59   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: St Louis, MO
Boat: Nordic 44
Posts: 81
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Yes, mea culpa on the terminology.

So, what is the hardware alternative if I cant find cones? What is the preffered hard wire hardware today.
__________________
pitlaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2016, 19:36   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Francisco Bay
Boat: Chung Hwa Boat Builders, Magellan 36
Posts: 124
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

With some trepidation I reused old cones when re-rigging my boat. When you think about it the cone is the wedge that locks the wires in place so that it cannot escape. I believe that minor imperfections do not affect the function of locking in the wire. f
__________________
foufou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2016, 20:49   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Victoria B.C.
Boat: CS27
Posts: 1,231
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pitlaw View Post
Yes, mea culpa on the terminology.

So, what is the hardware alternative if I cant find cones? What is the preffered hard wire hardware today.
Sta-Lok or Hayn HiMods.
__________________
mitiempo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2016, 10:35   #12
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2005
Boat: Outbound 44
Posts: 3,390
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pitlaw View Post
Yes, mea culpa on the terminology.

So, what is the hardware alternative if I cant find cones? What is the preffered hard wire hardware today.
How about standard swages
__________________
Paul L
http://svjeorgia.blogspot.com
Paul L is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2016, 14:17   #13
Senior Cruiser
 
Ann T. Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 7,349
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Most people do use standard swages.

Although this boat came with Norseman fittings, we prefer Sta-Loks, because of the convenience of repair in remote locations. If the OP wants to sail to remote places, carrying one spare of the longest wire on his boat will allow him to replace any one stay at whatever time he notices a stranded wire, and not have to nurse the boat 1,000 mi or so to the next port where swaging is available. BTDT, when the headstay broke in only 20 knots.

Ann
__________________
Ann & Jim, U.S. s/v Insatiable II, free at last, will check in when in internet range
Ann T. Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2016, 21:55   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Auckland, NZ
Boat: Compass 790 , 7.9 metres or 26 ft
Posts: 178
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

I've re-used Norseman terminal fittings with no issues as a result but most riggers will tell you you cant do that. Hi-mods seem pretty good too
__________________
Compass790 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2016, 22:03   #15
Senior Cruiser
 
Jim Cate's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 9,461
Send a message via Skype™ to Jim Cate
Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Compass790 View Post
I've re-used Norseman terminal fittings with no issues as a result but most riggers will tell you you cant do that. Hi-mods seem pretty good too
do you mean re-used the cones, or re-used the whole fitting with new cones?

If the latter, I'm surprised that riggers have suggested that you shouldn't do it, for the re-usability is the big selling point for mechanical terminals.

Jim
__________________

__________________
Jim and Ann
s/v Insatiable II, lying Iluka NSW
Jim Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
parts, rigging

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Buy a "new" old boat or an "old" old boat?? jimp1234 General Sailing Forum 29 08-01-2016 02:12
1966 Jensen Marine 24.5 Parts and Rigging Help iamadifferentbreed Construction, Maintenance & Refit 10 26-07-2011 18:00
Reusing Larger Portlight Frames - turning 1 to 2 Fishman_Tx Construction, Maintenance & Refit 1 05-07-2011 21:27
Re: Rigging, Compression Fittings for Standing Rigging Maineiac_sailor Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 2 26-01-2011 08:30
How Old Is Too Old Before SS Rigging Should Be Replaced? CastOff Monohull Sailboats 32 25-03-2010 10:33


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:52.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.