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Old 16-10-2016, 13:31   #1
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Rigging and reusing old parts.

I have 15 yr old running rigging on a 44' Nordic. It was done with Norseman parts. Can I use the Norseman bits again ? I am talking about studs, turnbuckles, eyes, insulators. Assume of course there is no evidence of fractures. Thanks.
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Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Generically, yes, those parts should be reusable. unfortunately, Norseman, AKA Navtech (?) has ceased production, and the replacement cones (required for re-use of the terminals) are not currently available. This is a real PITA for those of us who use the norseman gear, purchased in good faith.

There have been folks who are considering manufacturing the cones to fill the void, but AFAIK none are currently on the market. Considering the vast number of users around the world, seems a great place for a small CNC shop to make an honest buck and also help out a lot of yotties (and other users).

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Thanks Jim
I picked up a Lewmar catalog at the recent boat show">Annapolis boat show, edition 14 (oldcatalogue?). I shows Norseman and cones. So maybe I should ask Lewmar about availability of cones?
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Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

You can ask, but there aren't many sizes available. If they come apart cleanly with no damage, it is possible to re-use the cone. If you search Norseman here on CF you will find some posts that give rigging shops that may have some of the sizes and you can see th eletter that Navtec/Lewmar posted indicating they were dropping support.
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Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Hi, Pitlaw,

Fwiw, we recently had to replace Norseman T-balls. The fittings we got were from an outfit in New Zealand, called Sea Rig. Although they are direct replacement, it was necessary to bend them a bit in a press so that they led fair. I am told it is not uncommon to have to bend them a bit.

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Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

If the cones are in good shape, it is O.K. to reuse them, which i do as a rigger.
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Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Just to keep things straight... Running rigging is those ropey thingies... "Standing" is what you're after...
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If the cones are in good shape, it is O.K. to reuse them, which i do as a rigger.
Doug, I've wondered about this for years, and you are the first non-layman who has advocated this practice. With the Norseman situation as it is, and me with all norseman terminals on this boat, I am certainly interested!! So, how do you define "in good shape"? IME, the cones usually have visible marks where the wire strands have lain against the cone. Is that OK? How about small nicks earned when driving the cone off of the core wires? And so on...

Hopefully some intrepid machine shop will step into the breach and start manufacturing new ones, but until that day your suggestions are most interesting for lots of yotties.

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Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Yes, mea culpa on the terminology.

So, what is the hardware alternative if I cant find cones? What is the preffered hard wire hardware today.
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Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

With some trepidation I reused old cones when re-rigging my boat. When you think about it the cone is the wedge that locks the wires in place so that it cannot escape. I believe that minor imperfections do not affect the function of locking in the wire. f
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Yes, mea culpa on the terminology.

So, what is the hardware alternative if I cant find cones? What is the preffered hard wire hardware today.
Sta-Lok or Hayn HiMods.
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Yes, mea culpa on the terminology.

So, what is the hardware alternative if I cant find cones? What is the preffered hard wire hardware today.
How about standard swages
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Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

Most people do use standard swages.

Although this boat came with Norseman fittings, we prefer Sta-Loks, because of the convenience of repair in remote locations. If the OP wants to sail to remote places, carrying one spare of the longest wire on his boat will allow him to replace any one stay at whatever time he notices a stranded wire, and not have to nurse the boat 1,000 mi or so to the next port where swaging is available. BTDT, when the headstay broke in only 20 knots.

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Re: Rigging and reusing old parts.

I've re-used Norseman terminal fittings with no issues as a result but most riggers will tell you you cant do that. Hi-mods seem pretty good too
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I've re-used Norseman terminal fittings with no issues as a result but most riggers will tell you you cant do that. Hi-mods seem pretty good too
do you mean re-used the cones, or re-used the whole fitting with new cones?

If the latter, I'm surprised that riggers have suggested that you shouldn't do it, for the re-usability is the big selling point for mechanical terminals.

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