Cruiser's perspective..If Trump wins?

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by hsi88

Sorry but you are misinformed. The uneducated spoke loudly (check the stats). And the majority were ignored. Hillary won the popular vote.by about 240,000 votes.

If you don't think this has anything to do with the 30's a history lesson is in order. Blind patriotism, new nationalizsm, purity laws, takeover of the media, comdeming a population of people based on race and religion, goons beating up others that don't agree, imprisoning the opposition. These are not new concepts of the 21st century. Do some research in some real books.

Meanwhile, I am planning on getting my boat ready earlier rather than later and set off to more peaceful surroundings.

Maybe you should work on educating yourself. Here in the US we live in a representative republic, not a socialist democracy.

[Mike OReilly]

Looking at President Trump from an international cruiser's standpoint (without being too political), and just going from Trump’s “100 days” speech and his other commitments:

If Trump is true to his word there will be a retraction in the reach of the American Empire. They will withdraw or retreat from many of the thousands of places they now occupy with both hard and soft power. This includes a shake up of NATO, a cancelling of the Iran deal, and (presumably) a withdrawal from many of the hundreds of American military bases around the world. This will produce power vacuums that will be filled by other actors, and will produce regional instabilities in the short and medium term which may make the cruising life more difficult. It might be a good thing … in the longer run.

If Trump is true to his word he will tighten border security, making it more difficult for foreigners to visit, and for Americans to return. He will engage in mass deportations and incarcerations of illegal aliens. All of this will encourage international cruisers to seek other waters.

If Trump is true to his word he will repeal Obamacare. Since he hasn’t said what he would replace it with, I assume it will be a return to save versions of the old ways. I think this means people will be free to not carry health insurance. I suspect this will help many middle-class American cruisers (except the ones that get sick or hurt, of course).

If Trump is true to his word he will cut taxes deeply. This will disproportionally benefit the rich. Since most cruisers are already relatively rich, this may help many American cruisers in the short term. In the longer term this cut will likely (according to self-described experts) expand the US national debt, and will increase social instability as wealth disparity grows between the haves and have-nots. This will result in fewer Americans being able to afford the cruising life, but may make modest boats even more affordable as people divest and the market responds.

If Trump is true to his word he will increase tariffs on Chinese goods, which will increase the cost of most things Americans buy. He will also renege on trade deals like NAFTA, and won’t sign the TPP. This will likely put economic globalization in reverse, resulting in short term economic pain for many countries, including the USA. Longer term might be positive.

If Trump is true to his word he will halt all US involvement in dealing with climate change. This will effectively kill all international efforts. In the short and medium term cruisers will be affected by increased climate instability (although this is already a certainty), making travel by small boat more challenging (from a weather standpoint). Insurance rates will increase and insurance-imposed restrictions will expand for cruisers. In the medium/long term climate change will expand global social instability making more places more dangerous for international cruisers.

[transmitterdan]

IMHO is not "nice" to say that people without college degrees are "uneducated".

[ranger58sb]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Looking at President Trump from an international cruiser's standpoint (without being too political), and just going from Trump’s “100 days” speech and his other commitments:

But aside from all that, Mrs. Lincoln... how did you enjoy the play?



Fair analysis, though. That's some of what he said, and potential outcomes of each.


Perhaps he'll be reined in by Congress; at least some of those folks think first and speak later... even if what comes out might be disagreeable to about half the country.

-Chris

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Polux

Most of what is said is speculative. For real, the European boats will be more expensive to Americans, with the dollar coming down face to the Euro.



US election results: Trump lead causes Dow futures to crater 700 points as dollar falls | Daily Mail Online

That theory didn't last the day.

Dow is up 1.16%
Euro is down 0.67%


No idea what it will do in the upcoming weeks and months but the idea you have proof the election is the doom of the American economy has fallen flat.

[a64pilot]

Originally Posted by transmitterdan

IMHO is not "nice" to say that people without college degrees are "uneducated".

I disagree, although I have little formal education myself, I am not offended by it.
Now call me stupid, or ignorant and likely I will be offended, but pointing out the fact that I have less education doesn't offend.

Maybe it should have been "less educated"?

I know it was meant to be offensive, just I'm not that easily baited

[a64pilot]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

That theory didn't last the day.

Dow is up 1.16%

You know there was both a bunch of money made, and lost today

[sagablu]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Hillary will look good in orange.

How could you say that? This type of talk will not bring the country together!

Besides, A stripped pantsuit would be more appropriate I think. If Gulianni is made Attorney General she better move to Caracas.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by transmitterdan

IMHO is not "nice" to say that people without college degrees are "uneducated".

You can be very educated without a college degree. He was simply making a point.

And BTW, looks like nice is out the window, Trump was just voted in.

I'm sure you've seen the well educated(?), overweight, old, angry white guy at the Trump Rally punching a protester as he was being escorted out by the bouncers. Understandable if you don't remember though as there have been quite a few fights at Trump Rallies.

Looked like the guy threw the punch in slow motion it was so pathetic

[zeehag]

"If Trump is true to his word he will halt all US involvement in dealing with climate change. This will effectively kill all international efforts. In the short and medium term cruisers will be affected by increased climate instability (although this is already a certainty), making travel by small boat more challenging (from a weather standpoint). Insurance rates will increase and insurance-imposed restrictions will expand for cruisers. In the medium/long term climate change will expand global social instability making more places more dangerous for international cruisers."
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how is trump gonna foul the climate--change is constant. anyone who believes other wise has no powers of observation nor intelligence
i can just now seeyour vision of a one person assault making the entire planets climate SUDDENLY change--- is the stuff of excellent comic books and sci fi, but not reality

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by zeehag

how is trump gonna foul the climate--change is constant. anyone who believes other wise has no powers of observation nor intelligence
i can just now seeyour vision of a one person assault making the entire planets climate SUDDENLY change--- is the stuff of excellent comic books and sci fi, but not reality

Zee, I have no idea what you’re babbling about here. You’ve obviously misunderstood my comment. Of course, if your intent is to mischaracterize my comments, or simply to insult me, well I am saddened and disappointed. I took you as more intelligent than that.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Maybe you should work on educating yourself. Here in the US we live in a representative republic, not a socialist democracy.

Direct democracy has nothing to do with socialism, just with democracy. One citizen one vote is by far the most used method for presidential elections in most democratic countries and most of them are republics.

That does not mean that other methods, namely not direct ones are not acceptable or anti-democratic but they can certainly question the democratic principle of one man one vote, with reason or not.

[CaptMarc]

Originally Posted by alansmith

The whole world is watching this election. Also the Senate races are getting tight. Now 46 Democrats and 47 Republicans. When was the last time that one party controlled Senate, House, and Presidency? Any one remember?

Geaorge W Bush: 2003-2005 had a Republican Congress and Senate.

[gjordan]

Threatening to lock up opponents and threatening the news media sounds more like a TIN POT DICTATOR than a patriotic American. I cant imagine that Mexican officials are going to be nicer to us when we lock up Mexicans that have over-stayed their visas. The tourist dollars that cruisers bring to Mexico pale in comparison to the money that Mexicans (both legal and illegal) that work in America send home to support families. Dont you think that building a wall will be considered a huge insult to the Mexican people? Do you think that will make cruising in Mexico better or worse? Our country has just proved that stirring up hate and anger is easy to do. The Philippines did it and now have a murderer for a President. lets hope we dont end up with that sort of backlash from Mexico. Oh well, the sun will still rise tomorrow. Grant.

[a64pilot]

I have tried to stay out of this but can't I guess, you guys have sucked me in.

I'll make a prediction, 6 months from now we meet and talk about what has changed, I predict it will be a short conversation.
We elected a President, not a King. To quote Monty Python he does not hold "Supreme executive power" lots of people have to agree with and work with him for anything to happen.

I think the biggest impact on cruising will be having to answer "whats up with you guys" nothing else, although I do think Cuba visitation could be impacted, cause if I understand it, not much actually allows us to visit now, more of a we don't chose to enforce that law more than its actually legal?