Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY
I try exile...I really do.
I'm almost tempted to give up, but then who would be the voice of sanity in an insane world? Who would stand up to the evil forces of Cultural Appropriation of a white woman opening a Taco Cart? No...I can't give up...so I will fight by ordering another Taco and laughing at the cries of white priviladge.
welcome to the party Third Day! every party needs someone to stir things up, break up the monotony, the consensus here and there
Hey, here's an aspect of this whole X and Y discussion that we haven't really discussed on this thread yet, at least: the things we X and Y's like/dislike about live aboard and/or cruising sailboats!
here goes with how my ideal sailboat was forged:
ever since i lost
hearing in one ear (yes, brown oarsman, i am like that parking lot joke, only i am both handicapped and out there
), ever since i had kids
, ever since i've needed reading glasses... my sense of smell has skyrocketed. How does this translate on sailboats?
Beside knowing where you've been all night, what you did yesterday, and which aftershave (oh, not that, anything but that!!!) you use, i can also tell you how long the boat
has not been ventilated (if it is poorly ventilated, if there is a dead raccoon at the bottom of the fridge from last summer, if there is a leak, condensation
and where, and if the head
yet, out of all the smells, the one that physically bothers me is the smell that plastic gets once the sea-mold grows. most days it isn't bad, but get me into rough weather
and i go down under to do something, i'm bound to turn a bit green before i make it back up.
i once said thanks, no thanks to a crewing
opportunity because when i went below to put my stuff down, i had to come right back up. that boat smelled of death to me, the sea-mold on the plastic was so bad.
another time, i got really seasick once on a very stinky-plastic dufour
43 that left normandy at midnight with no moon and raging seas... what were we thinking!
this was a sailing club venture destined for Brighton and back that didn't go that well. in the middle of the night's nowhere, things went from bad to worse. while water
was flooding the cabin
below from who knows where, a shackle up there holding the main broke, and the main came tumbling down. the steaming lights were on to shed light onto the skipper/instructor who was doing all he could to control the main without falling off (not tethered, of course!), so the waves around us were visually engulfing us. an experienced guy was on the helm
pulling back and forth, back and forth, but i could tell that he was panicking... and of course there was no horizon to seek. we motored three hours back to where we came and never made it across the channel, opted to do a little coastal stint. i wasn't the first to get sick but i stayed sick for two long days because of the sea-mold smells below. took the life out of me.
Does anyone else, X or Y, find the same?
so there is criterion, number 1) good ventilation and loads of wood/teak below
As most on this thread know, i'm still boatless (and a yacht world addict) and, in any case, still in the lining-the-ducks-up but....
as far as boats go, i'm looking primarily at plastic classics built in the 1980's (up to 1993). i like sturdy old gals with thick hulls, good motion and with a cozy and -- to be good to my nose, lots of ports
and very woody and/or teaky -- interior
my first fling (and it is an on-going love story actually, but then i realized that this is where so many start their sailboat love stories - the HC33 really is a kind of homecoming queen) was with Harwood Ives' hans christian33.
yes, i know, the cockpit
is way too small, and it is difficult to fix a decent bimini
over it because of the set-up with the main, but, oh, below.... and me, who doesn't cook all that well: the galley! then there is the pullman berth!
i actually tracked every single
HC33 i ever found on different boating
sites on the internet
over the last few years and have a comprehensive file on them (though recently misplaced it). in any case, i know a whole lot about these boats, their history
, their collective and individual problems... i know which ones burned and sank, why and where. unfortunately, these boats are just so much to maintain.
since then i've had flirts with most of the bob perry boats: the passport 37, the freedom 36, though this one seems to have a recurring a bulkhead/cabin top issue and some have corrosion
down at the base of the mast), the mirage, and the valiant 32 is still high on my short list, though i find them unpleasantly small below. (bob perry may never befriend me because of this: i'm taking a major risk!)
That said, I've been trying to steer clear of the Panda's, Tayana's, Baba's all this time, telling myself, it's got to be a boat i can handle with my physical strength and not-so-demanding when it comes to my pockets.
So there's another criterion: below 34', and because mooring
shoots up in price
once the boat length exceeds 33' in european marinas
, preferably 33' or less.
there is also the pacific seacraft
: the 34 (oops), mariah 31, the orion 27 and even the Dana 24! an expensive lot they are!
then there have been flirts with the mason 33 (solid, high-maintenance boat but the quality of the metals used in the rudder!), alejuela 33 (love the twin berths on each side of the companionway), cabo rico
34 (oops, but anyhow, from what i've found, it can list to port when the water tank below the v-berth is full), victoria 34 (oops, but anyway, without reconfiguring the jib
set up, there's too much load on the main, too much for me to handle)... the rival 34 (oops and i'd need muscles for this one), the malo, and the baba 30 (what a sweat tea-cup of a boat, but, again, the cockpit
and the maintenance
...). there are the Eight-ton, the Guzzards (is that how we spell it?)... so many boats!
And the alberg
, and the cape dory
, the contessa, the nicholson are great boats but the narrowness below doesn't suit me.
so 3) i like beamy...
I'm looking for a gal that has a real home-feel below. and of course, being in europe
also means that i've looked at the moody's (grief that fabric!) and the westerlys (the headliners, yuck) and the Gladiateur (yes, but not enough ventilation) and others... the list goes on and on, reasons for and against....
then i noted that the Moody makes a 33' with an aft cabin
.... is it the eclipse? the aft cabin could be sweet! and this is where i forget about water length completely, displacement
, speed, etc. this is where i forget if the thing actually sails!
so here we go another criterion, 4): aft cabin (mind you, this really doesn't leave many boats out there to choose from that are or below 33')
yet, i did find one... the one that takes the cake for me THESE DAYS (well-ventilated, beamy, loads of teak
below, fantastic galley
, aft cabin) is the nantucket
island 33, a peter cole design, and, among these, only the ones made for the american market (not the auzzie-made). please google
it and look at a sister NI33 that pops up on sail listings, Pirate Jenny, in canada
. Oh, i'm in love!
the NI33 has been on my short-list for a while but since i shyed from the fin keel
a bit, wondering how Blue it could be and since i imagined i'd never find one in europe
and then this summer, i stumbled upon a 1981 orphan on my side of the pond that came over from san francisco
with its first owners long ago (a two-owner boat - if the owner is on here, HI!). she is here!
I want to go see her but need to really do some research
first: beyond the fixable stuff (rebedding hatches, attacking corrosion
to the pedestal
and the mast), the owner (who seems to be a fantastic and honest person) said that water has been getting in through the hawse pipe and may have gotten into the core
in the forepeak... (if there are experts out there, please pm me!)
this may be the reason for which he listed her for 37K$ and not 80K$ like her sister boats...? Oh My and Oh No! the boat is just too beautiful for this to happen! i have heard that core
issues are to be avoided at all costs and need to do that research
but cannot begin to make myself somehow. -- i feel paralyzed.
so now, now i'm faced with making a CHOICE
after watching the video i posted, one voice (ChiChi's because she is braver than me, it seems, especially when i'm hanging around with fellow sailors) in my head
says, 'just cut your losses, get the boat, and then figure out the rest. once you have the boat, doing the rest will become a necessity anyhow. This voice also reminds me of how Time is the only thing you have that you cannot make more of. This voice is so incredibly loud, no wonder i lost
hearing in one ear!
yet, when i'm not watching that video i posted earlier (over and over) another voice creeps around a corner (from the past) to tell me that i've got loads on my plate right now, that it is just too early for me to buy my boat, that i need to finish getting unstuck/untangled and get some income
coming in (and have just encountered a major, major set-back for my in-city project
...), the list goes on... oh and guys, i do not have a small salary.
anyhow, that's my story.
back to the the X's and Y's discussion, my feeling is that the things that shape our choices as females (if i may speak for us Y's) is probably another thing that escapes you guys or at least mystifies you guys, bewilders you guys, disenchants you guys, or even brings out full-fledged fights with you guys....
so, any other gals have any interesting experiences that shaped the criterion for a sailing home one way or another?
guys, i'd love to hear what you have to say as well. please be kind. we've made so much progress, and this aspect of our discussion could easily open an explosive can of worms.