Coppercoat after 6 months away

[RickG]

Island 44 is available and frequently used in Grenada. We've talked friends about and most of them use it now or plan to. Such as it is.

We have spent the summer in Grenada and have been happy with our Petit Trindad SR preformance from the Virgin Islands and South. After a year we clean the bottom once a month. We'll be back in Grenada and will have our old bottom paint removed, barrier coat applied, and more Petit Trinidad SR applied. It works well. I do want to look at Petit Trinidad 75 since it is less expensive than the SR.

Cheers, RickG

[ditechspain]

False logic.
Just because the law allows you to do something it doesn’t follow you’re compelled to exercise that right.

[flightlead404]

Originally Posted by Bycrick

But now, we’re supposed to "decriminalize" drugs because all the laws didn’t stop people from using them. And we’re supposed to let out all the felons who sold illegal grass and coke, and restore their voting rights.

No. We're decriminalizing (some) drugs because educated and ethical people respect personal responsibility and bodily autonomy and because the reaspons for (some) of their being banned in the first place was a combination of economics (that no longer exist), racial discrimination, and lies or incorrect assumptions about the presumed deleterious effects of (some of) those drugs in individuals and society as a whole.

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by Muaddib1116

...it may not be as good as some ablative coatings with harsher chemicals.

Both Coppercoat and traditional anti fouling paints use some form of copper as their biocide. There are no paints using "harsher chemicals" (tributyl tin notwithstanding.) If Coppercoat isn't as effective as other coatings in areas where fouling is an actual concern, it's because Coppercoat leaches that copper very slowly. This (and the fact that the carrier is epoxy) is why the manufacturer can claim a ten year product life.

[MikeInMaine]

Originally Posted by Garbonz

oOh baby, now this one is WAY OVER the TOP. Congratulations, you have won the Asshat prize and away we go. Over and out, I afraid to even open anymore posts. The moderators whould finally step in, but probably not.

I can't help you if you don't get the analogy. Pouring permanent toxins into the environment is akin to genocide.. of future generations.

[swisel]

Does anyone know if it is possible to filter out posts not mentioning Coppercoat? I find this thread has too much crap not related to the OP's topic.

[cebeuq]

I've had Coppercoat on my 30' sloop in the S.F. Bay area for 8 years now, and only growth which occurs is very soft, easily removed by diver or hose down when boat is hauled.

[capnkev]

We installed Coppercoat on our Lagoon 450 2 years ago. It was installed correctly and works great. After being in many of these debates there are 3 types of opinions on the product. 1: People who have it installed correctly, smooth, no dimples, proper mix, wet on tacky, love it and are happy for many many years. 2: people who don’t have it, can’t afford it, and hate on it, usually confusing it with copper paints, and claim without evidence that it destroys saildrives.
3: people like this post who have dimpling from a poor install and have marginal performance and are unhappy.
We love ours and wouldn’t change it for the world. No barnacles! In brackish water, we get slime and hairy growth, which comes off surprisingly easy by power washer. The yards are always amazed. I also have a remora underwater brush that makes it very easy to clean at anchor. Expensive, but a fun tool and totally worth it for any type of hull cleaning.
My advice to the poster, sand aggressively to remove all dimples. The low areas aren’t activated properly. Make it smooth as possible. Apply a few more light coats. Reactivate it. You should be happy then for a decade or more. Buy a remora.
Going back to painting every few seasons is never going to happen for me. Coppercoat is the best anti fouling available if you are going to own the boat for more than 5 years. It is also the most environmentally friendly option, as it barely leaches anything at all into the environment.
In short, people who had a bad install or can’t afford it, hate it. People who had a good install love it and won’t use anything else.
Every time I clean it, I’m amazed at how it just comes right off, either with the remora, a scraper or power washer.
Whenever we haul, I feel an enormous sense of satisfaction when the hull is good as new after a quick power wash, and I know I just saved money and time by never having to repaint.
I’m also proud that it is the most environmentally friendly coating.
Good luck! Sand it smooth as....and recoat with a few kits. You’ll be happy!
I’m not going to engage on the debate over Coppercoat on aluminum outdrives debate. Coppercoat has been installed on thousands of aluminum boats and out drives, as well as multi million dollar high voltage underwater equipment. It is non conducive and fully encapsulated. There is no galvanic activity. If you’re considering it, do it! Don’t believe that haters. Follow the instructions. You win.

[Bycrick]

All the nonsense arguments, wonderfully support by calling people names.

"The government [pick one or more] says that X or Y is safe." Just like they said that the 737 Max, or the dive boat Concepcion, or the phen-fen diet drugs, or Thalidomide were perfectly safe. Or the conversely, where for 75 years, marijuana was the devil's weed. And, as fstbttms has pointed out, I can still make TBT in the US. I can still put it into paint in the US. I can still sell and export it. But I’m a such-and-such if I follow those laws.

"Just because something is (il)legal, you ought to live by my/our/their rules." Where I’m at, I don’t need a doctor's prescription to buy Viagra, antibiotics or most painkillers over-the-counter. But, according to some, I should get one anyway because YOUR jurisdiction requires it. I might be able to buy a joint in CA, but it will likely get me thrown in jail in TX or AL. It will get me hanged in Indonesia. Jurisdiction is important, regardless of what somebody else thinks. And now that "some educated and ethical people" think those laws were wrong all those years, well, that changes everything, right?

"Dealing with FELONS." Then I suppose that you no longer deal with GM (convicted of conspiracy to destroy the intracity rail systems and replace them with busses), or VW (for lying about Diesel engine emissions), and I’m sure everybody in CA stopped buying electricity after PGE was convicted on 87 criminal counts. Selective outrage?

All the people who wave around adjectives like "ethical" as if they had the sole right to determine what’s ethical. Anybody who disagrees with them is a "nazi."

If one wants to make the argument that there are better (or just as good) bottom paints that don’t use TBT, and are "better," that’s fine. I don’t use it because because, in my case, I don’t seem to need it. I suspect that any biocide is going to have some bad effects on some part of the environment. So it’s only a matter of "how bad."

Just because you want to wave your arms and make emotional, self-serving, factually selective arguments doesn’t mean that I have to do anything about it.

I might even suggest that if one is so worried about "poisoning the environment," you might read this week's story about the 500,000 or more barrels of DDT and other sludge that was dumped between LA and Catalina. Solving that problem is more important than a few people putting TBT paint on their boat.

[Kaptain Ken]

We had Coppercoat on our 2007 Lagoon 440. My partner in that boat had it on a previous boat. Both performed extremely well. The key with Coppercoat is preparation and following the manufacturers instructions precisely. My partner in the L440 stayed at the yard we had it applied throughout the process (we had several other items done at the same time, including underwater lights). As I said, we couldn't have been more pleased.

[sailorboy1]

One of these days there is going to be a CopperCoat thread that has posts from ONLY people who have used it and which stays on topic of CopperCoat.

Meanwhile I have never used CopperCoat. But I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once many years ago

[swisel]

Originally Posted by capnkev

We installed Coppercoat on our Lagoon 450 2 years ago. It was installed correctly and works great. After being in many of these debates there are 3 types of opinions on the product. 1: People who have it installed correctly, smooth, no dimples, proper mix, wet on tacky, love it and are happy for many many years. 2: people who don’t have it, can’t afford it, and hate on it, usually confusing it with copper paints, and claim without evidence that it destroys saildrives.
3: people like this post who have dimpling from a poor install and have marginal performance and are unhappy.
We love ours and wouldn’t change it for the world. No barnacles! In brackish water, we get slime and hairy growth, which comes off surprisingly easy by power washer. The yards are always amazed. I also have a remora underwater brush that makes it very easy to clean at anchor. Expensive, but a fun tool and totally worth it for any type of hull cleaning.
My advice to the poster, sand aggressively to remove all dimples. The low areas aren’t activated properly. Make it smooth as possible. Apply a few more light coats. Reactivate it. You should be happy then for a decade or more. Buy a remora.
Going back to painting every few seasons is never going to happen for me. Coppercoat is the best anti fouling available if you are going to own the boat for more than 5 years. It is also the most environmentally friendly option, as it barely leaches anything at all into the environment.
In short, people who had a bad install or can’t afford it, hate it. People who had a good install love it and won’t use anything else.
Every time I clean it, I’m amazed at how it just comes right off, either with the remora, a scraper or power washer.
Whenever we haul, I feel an enormous sense of satisfaction when the hull is good as new after a quick power wash, and I know I just saved money and time by never having to repaint.
I’m also proud that it is the most environmentally friendly coating.
Good luck! Sand it smooth as....and recoat with a few kits. You’ll be happy!
I’m not going to engage on the debate over Coppercoat on aluminum outdrives debate. Coppercoat has been installed on thousands of aluminum boats and out drives, as well as multi million dollar high voltage underwater equipment. It is non conducive and fully encapsulated. There is no galvanic activity. If you’re considering it, do it! Don’t believe that haters. Follow the instructions. You win.

Curious. What was your cruising grounds during these last two years? Was the boat in motion a lot during this time?

[Stress Recess]

I’ve used Pettit Trinidad for years in the tropics, and it works fine for me.

[Kaptain Ken]

How often do you haul, clean, sand and re-paint???

[Garbonz]

Originally Posted by MikeInMaine

I can't help you if you don't get the analogy. Pouring permanent toxins into the environment is akin to genocide.. of future generations.

WE ARE ALL POURING PERMANENT TOXINS into the environment. it's just a matter of degree.

AND no I don't get the analogy, but people with small minds seem to like to throw it out for shock value.