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Old 24-10-2021, 12:01   #31
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The perfect 35-40ft sailboat

Sure let’s put together a list that collectively is practically un obtainable.

CC aft cabin really doesn’t work under 40 feet and is about practical at 45. The whole boat is compromised around the notion of an aft cabin. At sea it’s one of the worst places to sleep.

The traditional layout two lengthwise settee berths separate by a table , L shaped galley , full forward facing chart table on the opposite side is preferred , it’s good cause it works. At sea these are the best berths.

Showers underway are entirely practical sitting down. Not everyday is a Force 8. Pick a boat with a workable shower , too many are the size of a broom cupboard . My shower is shared with the head , not ideal but gives me a big shower space , when heeled you have to scoot the water to the sump. Annoying but doable. In heat the shower dries out ( after a sponge down ) in minutes.

If you eliminate keel options you will drastically limit your choices. The vast majority of later boats will be fin keel and spade

Your combination is almost impossible to find and entirely impractical under 45 imho.

Sit down and work out where you will sail. If it’s primarily warm waters you’ll want good outside socialising area as you spend 70% of the day here. It also needs to have enough space to handle the winches , lines strewn around and allow crew to move from station to station

If your short handed you need a good AP and a hydro dynamically efficient rudder so the AP doesn’t butt out at the first sign of a wave.

You need to evaluate water and diesel tankage and power generation

You need to go sailing and find out what’s really important to you, cause it sounds like you’ve spent too much time reading and too little actually sailing.
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Old 24-10-2021, 12:37   #32
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Old 24-10-2021, 12:41   #33
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Arthur said: "Honestly, most of the “comfort” and safety things such as a strong hull, skeg rudder, head w/ separate shower , large galley and aft cabin are basically to make my GF happy and willing to go haha."

Faust said: "Das war also des Pudel's Kern" when the doggie that followed him home revealed himself to be Mephistopheles - Satan, to whom Faust had sold his soul!

There is NO wisdom IMO in making a boat-buying decision driven by the desires of a companion that is not of SUPERIOR knowledge to yourself in regard to seafaring. The possible consequences of doing so are few, to wit:

A) You, against your better judgement and your own desires, back down and act on your companion's stated desires and wind up with a boat that NOT suitable for what you (or indeed your companion) wish to do with the boat. The potential for conflict and loss of companionship is great, particularly in light of the quantity of common resources that are going to be irretrievably consumed to your very probable chagrin.

B) Your companion against his/her better judgement and his/her own desires, backs down and acts on your stated desires and wind up with a boat that NOT suitable for what s/he (or indeed you) wish to do with the boat. The potential for conflict and loss of companionship is great, particularly in light of the quantity of common resources that are going to be irretrievably consumed to his/her very probable chagrin.

C) You both recognize how fraught with conflict is the situation, give up the "plan" to buy a boat, and go do something other that cruising.

The prophylactic against making an unwise boat-buying decision is, IMO, this:

You both recognize that knowledge of seafaring, of boat handling, of yacht design, of meteorology and of many other much more subtle things such a situational awareness in dangerous circumstances and personal reaction to fear must be brought in rough equivalence, so that you and your companion may be an effective and efficient team when seafaring. It is also useful to have such confidence in the competence of the other that taking an order from the other and executing it promptly and proficiently, even if it means doing something that you, yourself, would not have ordered the other to do, will not cause strife while underway.

If you would like to cogitate on the interplay between competent seafaring, authority relationships aboard ship and interpersonal relationships ashore, read Herman Wauk's The Caine Mutiny. It is a classic and should be required reading for anyone even remotely concerned with seafaring!

All the best :-)!

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Old 25-10-2021, 14:38   #34
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Re: The perfect 35-40ft sailboat

For most people, comfort with varied sailing conditions comes from experiencing them. I'd suggest these two start crewing for skippers on opposing club racing boats. There, they can learn the basics of sailing in encouraging situations. This will build confidence, and give them experience of different boats so that they are able to develop their own ideas about both boat characteristics, what they prefer, and ideas about which boats to look at (some will almost always be out of reach money wise.).

People without experience make unsuitable choices for them. Experience will be the key to solving the Which Boat mystery.

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Old 26-10-2021, 01:10   #35
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People without experience make unsuitable choices for them. Experience will be the key to solving the Which Boat mystery.
So true, specially when they put too much faith into the scriptures of the sailing heroes of times past. Many of those books never were updated to the current market or environment.

If asked by a newcomer who to trust, I would send him to check out the material of the ARC World Cruising Club instead of recommending some books. While some of their attitudes might be debatable, they deal a lot with newbies and help them cross the Atlantic successfully. Their recommendations are realistic in the current market and work well enough for hundreds of newbies every year. It's also in their interest, that their newbie-clients arrive safely. If you're boat is accepted to take part of the ARC, it's blue-water enough for most cases.
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The use of the word perfect here tells me you have limited experience. Anyone using the word has not owned many boats as it depends on the use, the user and the reality of the unknown.
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Re: The perfect 35-40ft sailboat

Yes and your comments make me wonder why you’ve never noticed that many people, possibly most, overuse or inappropriately use superlatives.
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