Taking an Island Packet 29 far Offshore?

[hdelany]

Agree

[hdelany]

I just love the IP29! It's such a solid stable boat. Please keep me in the loop as you sail! I particularly want to hear about any offshore runs that you do. I haven't taken mine farther than Nantucket yet, but I do have some offshore experience on other boats.

[hdelany]

Agree!

[Rockinar]

Originally Posted by hdelany

That's good to hear Rocking and reassuring! Let's keep in contact about trips that we do. I haven't been in any 10 ft swells yet, but handled some pretty big choppy seas with wind in the high 20's between Montauk and Nantucket which is sort of inshore but open to the Ocean. She handled it no problem. I would like a windvane because I mostly solo.

Im planning to sail across the Gulf again this summer to the Keys and up the east coast for hurricane season.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Kd9truck

WOW.

My post was to the OP, this site runs on people’s opinions, I don’t need your permission to post AiniA.

His “experience” is what I addressed my content too, you made the same analysis of this in your later post in the middle of your trip report. A trip I have done many times.

He is in-experienced as he has stated, my post was to the OP.

Vessels under 30 ft are NOT intended for long duration trips, thats a function of space, that’s not an insult nor is it intended to be. There are many great vessels in this class, I have not seen one that is designed to be at sea for longer than a month as a solo endeavor
AiniA Adding more bodies as you suggested in a subsequent post only makes the need for more provision space….move evident. 4 people on a 30 ft boat for 3-4 weeks sleeping, eating, cooking, saving water, flushing? garbage? Sea sickness? I know what that looks like, I have passed vessels like that, no thank you.
Cheers

Someone forgot to tell Matt Rutherford that as he circumnavigated the Americas on a Vega 27 non-stop..

https://www.amazon.com/Red-Dot-Ocean...eo%2C61&sr=1-1

Also Vega 27's, Bristol 27's, Contessa 26's, Pearson Triton 28's to name a few have circumnavigated in the past.

[Cheechako]

Originally Posted by Hawkeyeflyer

I also recently purchased an IP29. It's currently docked in SW Florida. I've been poking around SW Florida and made one trip to Key West and back. My ultimate goal is the Bahamas and then who knows. Possibly the Caribbean. I love the boat and honestly I'm more concerned with the skipper (me). I'm am getting more comfortable/confident each time out. I would really appreciate hearing how your plans pan out. Who knows, maybe someday I'll meet you in the islands . . .

Take care . . . RickG
S/V Cat's Paw - IP29-025

IP29 will be great for the Caribe and Bahamas. Florida to Trinidad is mostly day sails or overnighters. Friends of mine crossed to the Bahamas when we did and they were in a 23 ft boat. Strangely, they were both like 6-3 tall in that little boat! No standing headroom.

[thomm225]

Hobie 16 sail to the Bahamas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxZnQA3r78o

[Kd9truck]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Someone forgot to tell Matt Rutherford that as he circumnavigated the Americas on a Vega 27 non-stop..

https://www.amazon.com/Red-Dot-Ocean...eo%2C61&sr=1-1

Also Vega 27's, Bristol 27's, Contessa 26's, Pearson Triton 28's to name a few have circumnavigated in the past.

Are you Gas lighting me my little boat friend? 🤭
……
All with green skippers as the OP has stated he/she is?
Was Matt Rutherford new to sailing?
Non of those boats were modified?

you should add the Shackleton rescue voyage to the whaling station. 800 nm in the southern ocean in an open skiff.

“When you have nothing to lose, you have nothing to lose.”

[Don C L]

What I am curious about, for the IP29 owners, being a beamy boat with a long relatively shallow keel, is how would you describe its motion in open ocean conditions? I am imagining it may not be too seakindly, and that may not be a deal breaker for you, but is that what you have found?

[Shanachie]

I think this debate on the IP 29 has gone astray.


There's one docked near my boat. It is a stout, relatively roomy and well-built sailboat, if you don't mind going four knots. I'm not sure someone should circle the world in one, but it's more than enough for the islands.


The bigger issue is condition, like most older sailboats.



The one near me is for sale, reportedly for 20K. I doubt I would pay more than 5-6K for it, and then only if I was willing to subject myself to a year or more of a massive refit.


The mainsail has been sitting on the boom for many months without a cover. The jib is candy striped, which means sections of it have been exposed to UV and are weakened.


I seem to remember it once having a bimini, essential for Florida, but it does not have one now.



It does not look like it has much in the way of electronics. If I were to go below, I would be stunned if the interior cushions were not original. Which means there's probably a list of other, smaller items that also need to be repaired.


No way to tell how old the rigging is, but I doubt that anyone replaced it while neglecting everything else.


Older sailboats from quality builders always have their pluses and minuses on design, but the important issue remains how the boat has been maintained.



That's especially true for Island Packet, which was not known for building repair-friendly vessels. Buried chain plates, tanks hidden under floors, etc., can hold many surprises for the buyer.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Kd9truck

Are you Gas lighting me my little boat friend? ��
……
All with green skippers as the OP has stated he/she is?
Was Matt Rutherford new to sailing?
Non of those boats were modified?

you should add the Shackleton rescue voyage to the whaling station. 800 nm in the southern ocean in an open skiff.

“When you have nothing to lose, you have nothing to lose.”

No, none of the small boats were modified.

You just don't seem to understand what seaworthy smaller boats can do.

Maybe check out a few Offshore Boat recommendation lists.

https://mahina.com/wp-content/upload...er-v4.23-1.pdf

For example, a boat like yours wouldn't be allowed to race in the Fastnet a few years after 1979 because it's Capsize Screen Formula was too high above 2 whereas a more seaworthy small boat like mine has a Capsize Screen Formula of 1.71.

Vega 27: 1.88

Contessa 26: 1.71

Pearson Triton 28: 1.73

[Kd9truck]

Originally Posted by thomm225

No, none of the small boats were modified.

You just don't seem to understand what seaworthy smaller boats can do.

Maybe check out a few Offshore Boat recommendation lists.

https://mahina.com/wp-content/upload...er-v4.23-1.pdf

For example, a boat like yours wouldn't be allowed to race in the Fastnet a few years after 1979 because it's Capsize Screen Formula was too high above 2 whereas a more seaworthy small boat like mine has a Capsize Screen Formula of 1.71.

Vega 27: 1.88

Contessa 26: 1.71

Pearson Triton 28: 1.73

A great bunch of wee stout vessels.

Ahh the wonderfully short sighted/incomplete Capsize Screen Formula.
That’s a separate post discussion altogether.

I could offer the equally incomplete hull speed as a counter.

You miss interpret my point or your denouncing what the navel engineers have designed those vessels to do. It’s a function of space that they are limited to providing for shorter duration passages not a jab at the “seaworthiness”.

All the extra weight and windage (inside and out) you put in your 1.71 above the waterline will change your capsize screening formula.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Kd9truck

A great bunch of wee stout vessels.

Ahh the wonderfully short sighted/incomplete Capsize Screen Formula.
That’s a separate post discussion altogether.

I could offer the equally incomplete hull speed as a counter.

You miss interpret my point or your denouncing what the navel engineers have designed those vessels to do. It’s a function of space that they are limited to providing for shorter duration passages not a jab at the “seaworthiness”.

All the extra weight and windage (inside and out) you put in your 1.71 above the waterline will change your capsize screening formula.

Not too much windage with my boat with it's 30' mast and low freeboard.

As far as weight, I removed the diesel and associated equipment which totaled about 400 lbs. or more.

It's almost like being on a raft instead of a boat and when the heavy winds come it's great to have a smaller sail area and a main with three reef points.

You just don't have enough experience to understand small boats.

Btw, this $1,000 Bristol 27 did cross three oceans.

It was modified though as you mentioned you thought small boats would be.

The mod's were no lifelines, a gutted interior, no engine, a homemade tiller, and autopilot. Plus Dyneema rigging.

https://towndock.net/shippingnews/se...-and-alexandra

https://svcrystalblues.blogspot.com/...ne-around.html

[Kd9truck]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Not too much windage with my boat with it's 30' mast and low freeboard.

As far as weight, I removed the diesel and associated equipment which totaled about 400 lbs. or more.

It's almost like being on a raft instead of a boat and when the heavy winds come it's great to have a smaller sail area and a main with three reef points.

You just don't have enough experience to understand small boats.

Btw, this $1,000 Bristol 27 did cross three oceans.

It was modified though as you mentioned you thought small boats would be.

The mod's were no lifelines, a gutted interior, no engine, a homemade tiller, and autopilot. Plus Dyneema rigging.

https://towndock.net/shippingnews/se...-and-alexandra

https://svcrystalblues.blogspot.com/...ne-around.html

Tom you need the motor for ballist if nothing else, I am concerned for you and who ever you may bring on your vessel. The vessel in the blogs I would term “unsalvageable” .

Good luck

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Kd9truck

Tom you need the motor for ballist if nothing else, I am concerned for you and who ever you may bring on your vessel. The vessel in the blogs I would term “unsalvageable” .

Good luck

I think you are confused.

The ballast on my boat is almost 2700 lbs. of lead. I don't need an engine for ballast nor have many others that removed their diesel engine before circumnavigation and used only an outboard or sailed engineless.

You do understand that folks sailed for 1000's of years engineless right?

I can see you are new to sailboats.

My boat is in very good shape for a 1974 Bristol 27.

It also has new sails and a new engine. Chart Plotter I built. M1 Mantus 25 lb. anchor, etc., etc.

Plus, I've been sailing it since 2011 in winds as high as 35 knots. No ballast problems.

It's so nice having 2700 lbs. of ballast though after having zero ballast except for my own body racing beach cats for so many years.

Photos from 2019 and 2024 in the boatyard.

Interior photos are before I removed the sink etc for a starboard side settee etc. for more room.