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Old 29-01-2023, 07:51   #16
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Re: Kirsten Neuschafer Cape George 36 @ 7.9 knots

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Since I have been on this site, cruisers are always emphasizing the keeping the boat in one piece thing.

Whereas since I came from racing, it was all about pushing the boat as hard as was needed to win, but if you do that in a race like the Golden Globe RTW Race that could take you out of the race or at the least slow you down.

Yup, it's definitely a different philosophy. It's not about "make the boat go as fast as it can", it's about being able to go reasonably fast in the widest possible range of conditions, and without breaking things (boats usually get really slow when major stuff starts to break).



Along those lines, a friend and I recently had a bit of a realization that on something like a Solent rig, a self tacking jib could actually count as a performance improvement. Not because it makes the boat faster, but because it can make it practical to sail in situations (like tacking upwind in a channel where you're tacking every 60 seconds) where you'd otherwise say "screw it" and just motor.
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So she is like 55 miles behind 2nd place racer Tony Abhilash (Rustler 36) in the RTW Golden Globe 2022 Race and is sailing above hull speed.

The winds must be quite strong.

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She is now in Second Place!!!!!
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She is now in Second Place!!!!!


Plus she like a 20-30 hour time adjustment for her rescue of Tapio.
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Re: Kirsten Neuschafer Cape George 36 @ 7.9 knots

By aware the speed and position quoted is only a snapshot ,at a time and place,the 24 hr average would reveal a different picture,but good luck to them all ,remember Suhalie lost her self steering gear verry early in the first race ,its still doable.⛵️⚓️👍
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By aware the speed and position quoted is only a snapshot ,at a time and place,the 24 hr average would reveal a different picture,but good luck to them all ,remember Suhalie lost her self steering gear verry early in the first race ,its still doable.⛵️⚓️[emoji106]


Yes, a lot can happen in the weeks and months to come. I think they are estimated to finish in April at the earliest.
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Re: Kirsten Neuschafer Cape George 36 @ 7.9 knots

Kirsten takes the lead.

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Re: Kirsten Neuschafer Cape George 36 @ 7.9 knots

These last 9,000 miles are so could get interesting if and when Tony Abhilash starts to feel better.
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Re: Kirsten Neuschafer Cape George 36 @ 7.9 knots

Whilst many may look askance at her choice for a boat, she chose pretty well.
The CG36 is basically a William Atkin design from long before most of us were born.
Atkin knew a thing or three about boats at sea, yes the CG has a lot of wetted surface, but a pursual of the lines shows a "wholesome" boat, easy lines and enough lateral plane to hold her up to the wind when needed, and she doesn't have a "squirrely" hull, the vane isn't constantly "searching around" to keep her on course.
I believe that part of Kirsten's good progress has been due to having a boat that "takes care of herself" without constant fiddling about, which cumulatively saps the energy of any sailor, (a hull that's easy on the nerves).
Her lines show easy curves, the diagonals in particular are quite fair.
It's a well modeled hull, nothing extreme.
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Re: Kirsten Neuschafer Cape George 36 @ 7.9 knots

Her boat is also about 7,000 lbs. heavier than her nearest competitors which seems like it would be a good thing in the waters they are sailing in.

And she has a much longer waterline. (LWL)

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/cape-george-36

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/rustler-36

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/biscay-36
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Whilst many may look askance at her choice for a boat, she chose pretty well.
The CG36 is basically a William Atkin design from long before most of us were born.
Atkin knew a thing or three about boats at sea, yes the CG has a lot of wetted surface, but a pursual of the lines shows a "wholesome" boat, easy lines and enough lateral plane to hold her up to the wind when needed, and she doesn't have a "squirrely" hull, the vane isn't constantly "searching around" to keep her on course.
I believe that part of Kirsten's good progress has been due to having a boat that "takes care of herself" without constant fiddling about, which cumulatively saps the energy of any sailor, (a hull that's easy on the nerves).
Her lines show easy curves, the diagonals in particular are quite fair.
It's a well modeled hull, nothing extreme.
I've said it before....whomever has the Atkins design is favored to win in my book, just like in the first GGR. I think the specter of weight and wetted surface looms larger in the minds of inshore racers than it ought. Just because a heavier boat takes a little longer to get to hull speed, which is really the limiting factor in non-planing hulls, the advantages of momentum and seakindliness and sail carrying capacity are a bonus rather than detraction for long-distance sailing.
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Re: Kirsten Neuschafer Cape George 36 @ 7.9 knots

Waterline: (LWL)

Cape Georges 36: 31.5'

Rustler 36: 26.92'

Biscay 36: 27'
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Re: Kirsten Neuschafer Cape George 36 @ 7.9 knots

I can't say the heavier boat is really an advantage other than possibly a slower, more comfortable motion (and that's not a performance benefit, just comfort). In light winds, the extra weight and wetted surface is a disadvantage. But once there's enough wind to push the thing to hull speed, as Benz said, it's a game of longest waterline goes fastest.
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I can't say the heavier boat is really an advantage other than possibly a slower, more comfortable motion (and that's not a performance benefit, just comfort). In light winds, the extra weight and wetted surface is a disadvantage. But once there's enough wind to push the thing to hull speed, as Benz said, it's a game of longest waterline goes fastest.
Knowing where they would be sailing and the destruction that occurred on the first retro Golden Globe Race in 2018, the heavier, beefier boat seemed to me like a very good choice.

There were 7 knockdowns and 5 dismastings.

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Re: Kirsten Neuschafer Cape George 36 @ 7.9 knots

Dismastings would be a mixed bag there. The heavier boat will generally be more sturdy, but it also needs a bigger rig to move it, so all of the rigging is more highly loaded.

I'd be more concerned with making sure the rigging is all in perfect condition, is a bit overkill in the strength department, and that I know the boat's handling needs to avoid beating it to pieces when the going gets tough. Just having a heavy, beefy boat isn't a guarantee, although it may in some situations be more tolerant of mishandling.
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