If I was in the market for a nice, older, bluewater ...

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by 5BTM

Pre 2000, quality 39, 39, and 40 footers are asking about 35K to 40K Canadian pesos.

How many such boats at that price range have you gone cruising in and for how long ?

[Montanan]

27 years young, that falls into the getting harder to obtain insurance category.

Premillennial era.

Granted many nice boat models back in the day, but age is age and it isn't getting younger.

[Don C L]

The Swan! The SWAN!

[JBsurfin]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

The valiant 40's are notorious for blister problems.

hull Nos 120 to 249 / 1976 to 1981

[Rohan]

Originally Posted by 5BTM

$169,000.

They should bring BlueStar back to Earth.

$40,000 if they are lucky.

Back in the 1980s maybe. I check YW all the time. If you are looking for a seaworthy 39' sailboat in good condition, with everything functional, you will be sorely disappointed if you expect to pay only $40k. No one is going to sell for that cheap.

[5BTM]

Originally Posted by Rohan

Back in the 1980s maybe. I check YW all the time. If you are looking for a seaworthy 39' sailboat in good condition, with everything functional, you will be sorely disappointed if you expect to pay only $40k. No one is going to sell for that cheap.

Wonder what happened to this one:

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...nt-262268.html

or this one:

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...2k-280811.html

In a few years most of the cruisers, who think their boats are worth hundreds of thousands, will age out of the hobby and leave the estate to deal with the white elephants.

I am going through something similar right now with my In-Laws, but with North Carolina made furniture and grandfather clocks with German movements.
Top of the line stuff that cost $10K+ in ninetees and now can't be given away.

[Montanan]

Valiants for sale:

YachtWorld list

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats-for.../make-valiant/

[Rohan]

Originally Posted by 5BTM

Wonder what happened to this one:

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...nt-262268.html

or this one:

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...2k-280811.html

Not sure what your point is there. Both those are very nice boats. But they are significantly smaller and 20 years older than than the boat at the top of this discussion. They are also a little quirky, which would appeal to some people but not to everyone. Hence their prices are significantly lower.

[kendrickwallace]

I like the Valiant 39, but prefer something without the canoe stern.

Instead, how about this Norseman 400? Watermaker, good looking electronics, newish engine with under 500 hours...looks to have been well cared for.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/198...n-400-8781441/

[Don C L]

Really? No one else votes for the Swan?

[pcmm]

Originally Posted by 5BTM

US$170K is almost a quarter of a million Canadian pesos.

US$40K is about 55K Canadia pesos.


Pre 2000, quality 39, 39, and 40 footers are asking about 35K to 40K Canadian pesos.

For a quarter milllion I could have a boat on the East and West Coasts, Scandinavia, Carribean and the Med,with money left over for plane tickets to enjoy them all in the same calendar year.

Think you are looking in a different market that the rest of us! I don't see quality 39-40fters for that little in CAD. 35ft boats are regularly selling for $60-70k for 1980s to 90s boats!!

[Bowdrie]

Originally Posted by Don C L

Really? No one else votes for the Swan?

Hey, I'm with you.
I've always thought the S&S Swans were the cat's meow for a "wholesome" boat that would never cause you any worry when the shtf, you knew you weren't going to break it
But, they do have some negatives.
For their size they have small tankage and theirs's not much room for a bunch of extra stuff.
The deck layouts and winch placements are more geared towards a young strong racing crew than a middle-age couple.
I still like the 43, but it's a "small" boat for its length/weight.

[kendrickwallace]

After more research I retract my thoughts on the canoe stern. This 39' boat is pretty sweet. The made-in-Texas models do not suffer the blistering of earlier models. It has two proper cabins and a separate shower, comparable to the Pacific Seacraft 40. The PS 37 is also on my list, but lacks a private aft cabin and separate shower. The Valiant 39 is priced about $30k more than a comparable Pacific Seacraft 37, and about $75-100k less than a Pacific Seacraft 40. Seems like a pretty fairly priced based on what's on the market now.

[jparriott]

The Swan's a great boat. I believe a Frers, not S&S. Water tankage for a 40 footer is acceptable, particularly with a watermaker. Fuel is tankage is lacking, but not terrible for a 40 with a small engine. They are built very, very well - these old hulls are wonderful. Very fast upwind. OK downwind with a chute, or wing & wing for cruising. The upgrades on this particular boat are impressive. A lot of big ticket items. My wife and I are in our 70's and we sail an '87 53. It's a workout, but it keeps us young.

[kendrickwallace]

This boat sold. I guess someone thought the price (or something near the price) was okay!