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Old 22-10-2016, 15:57   #76
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Re: Boats with Shallow Draft for Florida, Bahamas, Chesapeake

My keel is 4.10, HR-33, in stock trim.

Thanks. And thanks for the thread, fantastic. You might consider look on Craig's list Seattle, and Portland Or, for these boats. Some very cool old classics. I look every night.

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My keel is 4.10, HR-33, in stock trim.

Thanks. And thanks for the thread, fantastic. You might consider look on Craig's list Seattle, and Portland Or, for these boats. Some very cool old classics. I look every night.

Thanks again.

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I am glad you and others like this thread topic.

While I don't look at the Craigs List listings every night, I do occasionally, and when I see a good boat listed I add it or photos of it to describe a TYPE of boat and typical Asking Price and post that info in another thread here on CF, one that is focused on "Noteworthy Boats Less than $30K" with the hope that that thread will help others (possibly new sailors) learn something about boats that may fit their budget. My hope there is simply to help others.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ds-147098.html

So, if you see something special or a great deal, please feel encouraged to post the photos and some basic data (and a link) in that thread too, IF the boat looks especially good and is listed with an asking price of less than $30K. It may help someone find their dream boat or make a dream come true.
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Hdr,... "interglacial",..... lol,....good one. And so true, prefer to go outside to avoid all that, and it's much more fun.
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Signed up just today.
I just bought a Sandpiper 32' Sharpe. The board up draft is under 24" loaded for unknowing. Bilge boards down. Five feet of draft.
The rig is set up like a old windsurfing. I an mot sure if I like it yet. Since I just bought the boat last week.
The Preston sharpies are not popular for some reason. But we fell in love with the ability to put the bow on a beach. With a stern anchor to pull off the sand.
My thought is. There is a lot more 2' and 4' of water out there. Than those nice comfy marinas.
I will learn how post photos asap.HR


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We cruised a Beachcomber for 10 years. It's the little sister of your boat. The presto sharpie (soft chine sharpie) really works great. If you have the rotating masts with the wishbone booms one trick to make unfurling easier is to use a lanyard to lift up on the main boom to keep it from binding. We had a lot of fun with that boat & it's 15" draft.
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We are in Holiday, Florida. Just a couple blocks from the Anclote.
I bought the boat in St Pete. It was interesting motoring up the interglacial all the way up with a 5hp nissan outboard. And headwind all the way!
Well, Lets see if the photos worked! (Not all photos are mine. There from previous owner)

I would like to hear from anyone who sails a Sandpiper. I need all the help I can get!
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Some things to be aware of: you have a lot of control of the sail shape or foil so use it, running downwind wing on wing works great as you can let the booms out more than 90 degrees which reduces the risk of accidental jibes & since it's a stayless rig jibes are not a big deal anyway. These boats have aluminum masts in fiberglass tubes. The bearing surface is really just the top foot of the tube where the mast rubs against it. I put a Teflon disc under the mast & lifted the mast regularly to grease the portion that bears against the tube. I used lithium grease & the masts spun easily after greasing but this rig is susceptible to binding when there's a lot of wind. You also want the lines that run to the spools running as straight as possible to reduce friction. Another problem was the centerboard was not ballasted so the friction of the block & tackle system used to lift it kept it from lowering. I ran a line to the cockpit that pulled the block & tackle apart which solved that problem.

The Beachcomber & Sandpiper were designed by Walter Scott who also designed the first Island Packets as well as several boats for Irwin, Allmand & Watkins. Walter really understood the freedom you get from extreme shoal draft boats.
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Old 22-10-2016, 19:08   #81
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Thank you.
How do you lift the mast to grease?
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Thank you.
How do you lift the mast to grease?
It's been more than 15 years but as I recall I mounted a winch on the aft starboard corner of the cabin which I used for refurling the main when necessary & also lifting the mast. I ran a line from the winch through a block attached to the deck near the base of the mast & then through a block at the top of the pole that holds the front of the wishbone up & then down to a cleat at the base of the mast. It's important that the aft end of the wishbone is supported so the mast doesn't bind. After you get it up a foot or so stick a piece of wood under it to hold it in place. Clean off the old grease & just smear some new grease on with your hands.
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KADEY KROGAN 38 Cutter rig
44' overall.
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6.2. Boards down.

Main board and aft smaller trim board.
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Kadey Krogen 38, Cutter 1992
Twin Centerboards
DRAFT = 3'2"

2016 Asking Price $114k

Good detailed review article:
Kadey Krogen 38 Review: Tandem Centerboard Gunkholer - Waves Jordan Yacht Brokerage

http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/61920
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If I could ask a question of you folks. Is the keel depth as critical in the pacific, say South Pacific, and Alaska, as it is in the gulf?or perhaps the med?



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Dirk, no matter what y our draft, you can find a place to run aground. Deeper draft boats do it a bit further from shore...

We have been cruising in the Pacific, mostly Southwest Pacific for thirty years, all in boats with 2.2 m (7'2") nominal draft. We have occasionally run aground. There are a couple of cyclone anchorage (mangrove rivers) that we can't get into, and wish we could. But in general, we haven't wished for a shallower draft boat, and enjoy the better sailing performance that the deep keel provides.

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Old 23-10-2016, 04:29   #86
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Chen, tell me a little bit more about her.
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Here's one of my favorite extreme shoal draft cruiser designs:
LAZY JACK SCHOONER sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com
1975 Lazy Jack Schooner 32 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
1977 Ted Brewer Lazy Jack Schooner Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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Kadey Krogen 38, Cutter 1992
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DRAFT = 3'2"

2016 Asking Price $114k

Good detailed review article:
Kadey Krogen 38 Review: Tandem Centerboard Gunkholer - Waves Jordan Yacht Brokerage

http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/61920
I've been watching that boat on YW, looks like a nice krogen! The price is steadily coming down. I'm pretty sure it was still $119k last week when I checked on it. If my bank account sees some big growth soon and it is still available, I would certainly go look at it.

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One of the finest cruisers - the Shaw designed, Pearson 424 - fits the criteria; and, is well built, good looking, and sails well!
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I've been watching that boat on YW, looks like a nice krogen! The price is steadily coming down. I'm pretty sure it was still $119k last week when I checked on it. If my bank account sees some big growth soon and it is still available, I would certainly go look at it.

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It is a nice looking boat, and seems well kept.
I like the "wood boat" traditional styling of the interior especially. And, who doesnt' like a clipper bow?

There is another KK38 on the market at asking price less than half that one. But, from the photos I saw on the sale listing, it appears to be "well worn" and not "well kept." When I viewed photos of it, after seeing the nicer one, I shook my head, thinking: "HUGE contrast of condition of similar aged boats of the same model looking VERY different after a 24 years of ownership."

Condition IS key to the asking price.

P.S. If you buy that boat, send me a PM. I would love to go for a sail on her.
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