Originally Posted by robert sailor
I'm sure it sails
like a witch but at 32 feet and wide open cabin as far as a full fledged offshore cruising boat it's target market in NA would be for well off 20 year old backpackers
. Polux for a typical NA offshore cruiser the average sailor is just a bit older than 20 and wants a boat just a bit bigger than 32 feet. It's a cool boat but I think you are way off the mark in suggesting that this is a great cruising boat.
If I was a weekend warrior that sailed on weekends and took 3 week sailing holidays in the summer then yes, even at my age you could interest me in this boat but to put all the gear
cruisers use 24/7 in this boat, mmmm don't think so. Nice boat though!
As usually I talk about facts Facts are important and your opinion or mine are irrelevant in what other sailors consider a good cruising boat, even you seem to insist that yours is determinant in what regards what is a great cruising boat or not.
You insist in consider that the type of the boat you prefer for the type of cruising you do is the perfect sailing boat from all others should be measured and i have tried to explain many times that it makes not any sense. That is only the type of boat you prefer as cruising boat.
Facts: The RM 970 was chosen as the 2017 European family
cruiser by 11 test sailors from most of the best European sail magazines.
Fact: Those 11 test sailors know incomparably better than you the boats on the market and have test sailed most of them. Some of them are on the same job for decades and have not only test the ones that are on the market now, but also others that are "old" now.
Fact: You can read on my blog what they have said about the RM 970 and why they have chosen it among other nominated boats.
Fact: This is not the only time a RM was chosen as European family yacht of the year in his category, it happened in 2013 with the RM 1260 (now 1270) and they said about it:
"It’s not just her construction method that’s different. Everything about the plywood built RM is refreshing, different, fun yet highly practical. A beamy, spacious offshore cruiser with light contemporary interior, that will look after her crew and can easily be managed shorthanded – plus she sails well in all conditions..."
Read more at THE European Yachts of the Year - Yachting World
"Chines are all the rage, especially on a plywood yacht like the RM 1260. Entered as a long shot, this vessel convinced the jury with versatility and a choice of different model options. While this alone wouldn’t have won the day, the boat also scored high with impeccable performance during the evaluation."
Family Cruisers: RM 1260
This vessel convinced the jury with the versatility and range of options in different models. Besides the design, stability and comfort of a well calculated for a whole family, the yacht has proven superior performance during the evaluation. A model in which safety comes first, followed by the structure, design and performance.
Winners of 2013 European Yacht (photo)
Fact: RM yachts that have been for decades the choice of a small group of mostly French sailors, that like to cruise
extensively and that remained faithful to the brand since the beginning, it is not anymore a choice for a small group of French cruisers but have increased hugely in the number of the sailors that see them as their perfect cruising boat, sailors from many nationalities.
That is also why those 11 test sailors from 11 different countries had chosen it as the European family cruisers of the year for 2 times. it would not make sense to have chosen a boat on that category as the european family cruiser if that boat, as you say, only had as target market: " it's target market in NA would be for well off 20 year old backpackers".
Besides the back packpackers are known for not having much money
and has several test sailors pointed out regarding the RM 890, that is a relatively expensive boat, considerably more than other family cruisers and that is true size for size regarding all other RM models. That would have as consequence that the RM would be a marginal brand and would sell very few boats.
Fact: They have changed this year to a bigger factory to increase production and even so they only can deliver a boat that is commanded now in 2018 and past the middle of the year.
I know because I was on their stand today. I am helping a fellow american cruiser that wants a fast boat to live aboard
and to cruise
extensively offshore and one of the brands that we have considered was the RM (among many) and they were by far the ones that had a bigger delay on delivering boats, commissioned now, and by a margin of a full year.
Fact: There are many types of long range cruisers that don't live permanently on the boat even if obviously that is what they do while they are cruising. Some even had circumnavigated and after that cruise extensively for about 4 to 6 months on the boat each year and pass the winter
with the family (I know some).
Fact: There are many liveaboards that live in boats with a considerably less interior volume this boat offers and also with less loading ability and with less storage
Fact: Most liveaboards, if they had the money
for it, would chose a bigger boat, RM or not, according with their sailing preferences.
Fact: There line of RM goes till a 13.70m boat, that due to the type of hull and the voluminous interior that offers would probably suit most liveaboards that want a bigger boat to live.
Fact: The ones that live aboard
permanently (and do not have simultaneously a house) are a very small percentage regarding the ones that cruise extensively and even among the ones that circumnavigate. For cruising extensively I would say cruising non stop for more than 2 or 3 months a year. Obviously some cruise much more than that but many live aboard stay put, living on the boat on the winter
and some in fact cruise much less than some that cruise actively living on the boat only some months on a year.
Fact: Saying that the RM 890 points to sailors "a bit older than 20
that are "" weekend warrior that sailed on weekends and took 3 week sailing holidays in the summer" ...
is not understand at all to what type of sailors this boat is pointed too and the type of sailors that have been buying
RM sailboats for decades.