Transgender and cruising?

[Kd9truck]

Hey Ivy, do you have a boat? That’s how it starts, dreaming of far off places is definitely a motivator, getting there will take some time and money. Your cursing plans will change as you get more involved with sailing, you would know better about where is safe within your community.
One salient feature of the sailing cruising community around the world is they are a cheery and accepting bunch s long as you follow the local etiquette which is mainly about noise and privacy.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Queer bashing/killing is not country specific as the recent Colorado incident illustrated.

It's risky to jump to conclusions with insufficient facts
That's hardly the case.

"Defense lawyers with the Colorado State Public Defender said in court filings on Tuesday that Aldrich identifies as non-binary and prefers they/them pronouns."

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by StuM

It's risky to jump to conclusions with insufficient facts
That's hardly the case.

"Defense lawyers with the Colorado State Public Defender said in court filings on Tuesday that Aldrich identifies as non-binary and prefers they/them pronouns."

Came as a big surprise to his dad it seems..
Is it a defense lawyer strategy.. "Can't be a hate crime.. it's a mental blip"

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Kd9truck

Hey Ivy, do you have a boat? That’s how it starts, dreaming of far off places is definitely a motivator, getting there will take some time and money. Your cursing plans will change as you get more involved with sailing, you would know better about where is safe within your community.

One salient feature of the sailing cruising community around the world is they are a cheery and accepting bunch s long as you follow the local etiquette which is mainly about noise and privacy.

I would not agree the sailing community is as you describe. Sometimes there’s an extremely right wing conservative streak running through many cruisers. Often a function of” self made “ people.

Sailing doesn’t mean you leave your prejudicious at home sadly.

[Franziska]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I would not agree the sailing community is as you describe. Sometimes there’s an extremely right wing conservative streak running through many cruisers. Often a function of” self made “ people.

Sailing doesn’t mean you leave your prejudicious at home sadly.

I do agree with the post you quoted, while there may be some very conservative right wing folks around, the majority seems to be a friendly open minded enjoyable bunch.

Nothing to do with self made, that's more a function of money and skills.

Traveling broadens and opens the minds of most people.

[sepharad]

I tend to avoid places I am hated, criminalized, murdered and abused. This covers sexual bias, anti-Americanism, racism, and religious bias.

Each time we see "American held hostage by North Korea" or "American languishes in mid-east jail" we ask ourselves: Why would anyone go there knowing what they know?

71 jurisdictions criminalize same sex activity.
15 criminalize gender identity and expression.
11 have death penalties.

I suspect they are not too picky about specifics and tend to combine them into one category and then mistreat them as such.

I threw together a quick list of countries that criminalize same sex behavior and gender mis-identification.

I think you can expect to be a second class citizen in:
Algeria
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Bangladesh
Barbados
Brunei - Gender
Cameroon
Comoros
Dominica
Egypt
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gambia - Gender
Grenada
Guinea
Guyana
Indonesia
Iran
Jamaica
Malaysia
Maldives
Kiribati
Kuwait - Gender
Liberia
Libya
Lebanon - Gender
Myanmar - Gender
Malaysia - Gender
Mauritania
Mauritius
Morocco
Oman - Gender
Nigeria - Gender
Pakistan
Palestine
Papua New Guinea
Saudi Arabia - Gender
Sri-Lanka - Gender
Tonga - Gender
UAE - Gender

I would either NOT GO to those places or not openly practice the behavior of my choice in those places.

Frankly, I try not to go where I am likely to be hated and victimized. This is sad, but I don't want to rot in jail, have my boat seized and have people say: Why did he go there KNOWING how they are?

Cruising does broaden minds...the cruisers. Assuming a policeman in Saudi Arabia, a dock worker in Tonga, a merchant in Malaysia is going to be "broadened" by contact with a foreign cruiser, is like reaching into a hole and assuming the snake inside is harmless...in rattlesnake country. Their LAWS are publicly pronounced and you are an outsider.

[goboatingnow]

You will not be hated if you don’t flaunt it. People generally leave people alone

This applies to anti America is as much As sexual politics.

[Fore and Aft]

Sepharad I have been to some of those countries on your list and never had a problem. No one ever asked my sexual orientation or gender. But I keep my mouth shut and leave my opinions at home.
I am surprised to see Malaysia on the list. It is a wonderful country, and the family and I had a great time there. The people were very friendly.
I have found all over the world most people are just trying to earn a living and get on with life.
Cheers

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Fore and Aft

Sepharad I have been to some of those countries on your list and never had a problem. No one ever asked my sexual orientation or gender. But I keep my mouth shut and leave my opinions at home.

I am surprised to see Malaysia on the list. It is a wonderful country, and the family and I had a great time there. The people were very friendly.

I have found all over the world most people are just trying to earn a living and get on with life.

Cheers

Yes that’s the key keep ” your western “ ideas to yourself. These people there are sick to the back teeth being lectured about their polities usually by westerners.

We are not the “ good guys”. Keep that in mind.

[sepharad]

I would love to Visit Malaysia, where the penalty for alternative gender identification is "Up to 3 years in prison, fines, and mandatory counselling".

While I do not have sexual or gender issues in Malaysia, and while Malaysia has protections for non-muslims, it also has some very definite legal and moral issues with other faiths.

I assess the conditions in the individual country, assess the risk of being identified as a target and 1) keep my mouth/appearance shut, 2) limit my presence 3) avoid going at all, depending on my analysis.

I have and continue to travel in countries where I am an unwelcome minority. I do so after consideration of the conditions and their track record of behavior. I am careful what and where I display my heart on my sleeve.

[sepharad]

I would love to Visit Malaysia, where the penalty for alternative gender identification is "Up to 3 years in prison, fines, and mandatory counselling".

While I do not have sexual or gender issues in Malaysia, and while Malaysia has protections for non-muslims, it also has some very definite legal and moral issues with other faiths.

I assess the conditions in the individual country, assess the risk of being identified as a target and 1) keep my mouth/appearance shut, 2) limit my presence 3) avoid going at all, depending on my analysis.

I have and continue to travel in countries where I am an unwelcome minority. I do so after consideration of the conditions and their track record of behavior. I am careful what and where I display my heart on my sleeve.

[Jammer]

Originally Posted by Fore and Aft

Sepharad I have been to some of those countries on your list and never had a problem.

Of course you haven't. If you did, you wouldn't be posting here.


Everyone who has come back from Russia after playing basketball has said that they didn't have a problem with being unlawfully detained for the rest of their life.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Jammer

Of course you haven't. If you did, you wouldn't be posting here.


Everyone who has come back from Russia after playing basketball has said that they didn't have a problem with being unlawfully detained for the rest of their life.

Or gitmo !! . Loads of places around the world where u can be unlawfully detained.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by Jammer

Of course you haven't. If you did, you wouldn't be posting here.


Everyone who has come back from Russia after playing basketball has said that they didn't have a problem with being unlawfully detained for the rest of their life.

Who was "unlawfully" detained ?

[Fore and Aft]

Jammer that is a crazy statement try and smuggle drugs into most countries you are going to be detained. Did Britney Griner think her celebrity status gave her immunity from local laws?
Which goes back to my original statement, follow the local customs and laws and most countries will never have an issue with you. It's not hard and if you like the wilder side of life I am sure it can be found. That is what is so stupid about the Britney thing, I bet she could have found a supplier once in Russia.
Cheers