The Frugal (AKA poor) Sailor

[Sea Dreaming]

Originally Posted by Gadagirl

Exactly! And as in the past, if you don't have family members to economize living quarters with you'd go the "boarder" route. Then and now, you don't always have too much of a choice on who else is sharing your roof. That can cause problems. But it's still a solution towards economics and being frugal.

I think the boarder route is a much better soLuton that the housefull of roomates. Roomates can be "too many cooks in the kitchen". Lots of ego struggles and personality clashes etc.
But as a boarder you get all the benefits of communal living spaces, your own room, and instant, non-negotiable house rules. Everyone is on equal footing.

Frugal.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Sea Dreaming

I think the boarder route is a much better soLuton that the housefull of roomates. Roomates can be "too many cooks in the kitchen". Lots of ego struggles and personality clashes etc.
But as a boarder you get all the benefits of communal living spaces, your own room, and instant, non-negotiable house rules. Everyone is on equal footing.

Frugal.

Better for me was my 24 ft boat with $150 a month moorage. No roommates no problems. If I decide I don't like the neighbors I go on the hook for a couple weeks.

[JPA Cate]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Better for me was my 24 ft boat with $150 a month moorage. No roommates no problems. If I decide I don't like the neighbors I go on the hook for a couple weeks.

....And that's being a Frugal Sailor of Merit!!! Good on ya, newhaul.

Ann

[topmast]

Before Coolaid and hostels I rented a huge house .($50 /m )Only 2 of us had jobs and the other15 just came and went from all over the world at .50 a night including coffee. My job with city garbage gave us all the furniture we could pick and choose (before recycle) I drove a Buick and a Caddie, both converts and a 650 BSA and paid for the fuel with refund of the beer bottles . Buck night at the drive in saw us in the back row with a big chesterfield strapped across the Caddie trunk .Record was 22, somebody had brought home a passel of ukcraniun sailors.Before mary jane but free love was rampant even for the frugal and was great practice for later building and sailing in style

[newhaul]

Now I really have a problem. I made an offer of $100 USD for a katadyn survivor 35 new old stock . Well they accepted my offer. Now where am I going to mount it I'm cramped as is.

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Now I really have a problem. I made an offer of $100 USD for a katadyn survivor 35 new old stock . Well they accepted my offer. Now where am I going to mount it I'm cramped as is.

Hell, that's simple: buy a bigger boat to house your bargain de-sal unit!

Jim

[Sea Dreaming]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Better for me was my 24 ft boat with $150 a month moorage. No roommates no problems. If I decide I don't like the neighbors I go on the hook for a couple weeks.

I can't argue with that!

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Hell, that's simple: buy a bigger boat to house your bargain de-sal unit!

Jim

The hard part with that is the boat I want is a 1968 islander 30 with the raised deck.
Not easy to find one that doesn't need more work than I want to do. At a price I'm willing to pay.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by Sea Dreaming

At one time many families lived with multiple generations under one roof. It's an arrangement that has really only gone underground dice the end of ww2. There really is no surprise that the trend is changing towned shared living again. It makes great economic sense and gives everyone other benefits, such as shared child care, social bonding and more hands to upkeep the house.

What troubles me is the social pressure to look upon such arrangements disfavorably. Granted there maybe a few users who take mom & dad for a ride, but that's on a few not young people as a whole.

Of course modern life is more fluid than it was 80-100 years ago. It's much harder to keep multiple generation together as younger adults pursue careers. But there shouldn't be any shame for the folk who are making it work.

Yes.

Shaming follows the dominant / politically correct / way of living. Some hundred years ago when young people started hitting it on their own and never looking back they were seen as 'selfish', 'disobedient' and 'anti-christian'. In fact, it was none of the above. Economy developed and we simply adjusted to what was the most practical solution.

Now that in many places economy is slowing down, the situation may reverse and the young may be forced to live in the nest very long as compared to the generation of their parents. Expect shaming to work its usual way though: again the young will be labelled 'wrong', 'lazy', 'dependent'.

The social strata of the whole story is interesting on many levels and while some of us may jump at the idea of living with their grandparents / parents / children / etc., others will suffer. Not everybody is wired to smile all day long, hug and enjoy the noise and the chaos of living in a big family or a small commune.

I believe the whole thing is economy driven. But sure some cultures are more adapted / skilled than others. In Spain (where we live now) family is a paramount business. They will adapt easily to the new less brave world. In other countries this will all vary. I can only guess that the re-adaptation will / would be much more difficult for the Nordics.

Different climates / different cultures / different shaming.

Cheers,
b.

[weavis]

Originally Posted by newhaul

The hard part with that is the boat I want is a 1968 islander 30 with the raised deck.
Not easy to find one that doesn't need more work than I want to do. At a price I'm willing to pay.

Here is a discreet add on to house your unit. No one will notice..

[weavis]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Yes.

Shaming follows the dominant / politically correct / way of living. Some hundred years ago when young people started hitting it on their own and never looking back they were seen as 'selfish', 'disobedient' and 'anti-christian'. In fact, it was none of the above. Economy developed and we simply adjusted to what was the most practical solution.

Now that in many places economy is slowing down, the situation may reverse and the young may be forced to live in the nest very long as compared to the generation of their parents. Expect shaming to work its usual way though: again the young will be labelled 'wrong', 'lazy', 'dependent'.

The social strata of the whole story is interesting on many levels and while some of us may jump at the idea of living with their grandparents / parents / children / etc., others will suffer. Not everybody is wired to smile all day long, hug and enjoy the noise and the chaos of living in a big family or a small commune.

I believe the whole thing is economy driven. But sure some cultures are more adapted / skilled than others. In Spain (where we live now) family is a paramount business. They will adapt easily to the new less brave world. In other countries this will all vary. I can only guess that the re-adaptation will / would be much more difficult for the Nordics.

Different climates / different cultures / different shaming.

Cheers,
b.

Here in Sevilla Spain, I notice many families living in a house with apartments on different floors.

The one Im renting currently is 3 floors. The owners (Parents) live in the middle floor, the daughter and family live on the 1st floor and the son used to live on the 3rd floor. He moved to a different city so it is rented out now and contributes to the parents income.

Good idea.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

...I believe the whole thing is economy driven. But sure some cultures are more adapted / skilled than others. In Spain (where we live now) family is a paramount business. They will adapt easily to the new less brave world. In other countries this will all vary. I can only guess that the re-adaptation will / would be much more difficult for the Nordics.

The whole shift to kids staying longer with their parents, and parents coming to live with their kids, is absolutely driven by economics here in North America. The demise of the middle class means a real reduction in the economic capacities compared to previous generations following the days of the New Deal. Now that we are rapidly returning to a more feudal type of economic arrangement (one folks like Piketty depressingly suggest is more the norm), it only makes sense to reduce family housing and living expenses by living under one roof. In fact, it's a continuation of the economic adaption of families that first led to the influx of women into the workforce, then working longer hours, then going into deep debt. Reducing expenses through communal family living is yet another step down this slope.

I see no shame in this approach; perhaps a sense of bitterness that the gains of the post war era are being rapidly reversed, but no shame. But all of this does enhance the shift to more frugal living, both on land and on a boat (to swing this back to cruising). This is probably a good thing for our global societies, and for the planet in general.

[a64pilot]

You guys are making me feel guilty for pushing my 21 yr old Son out of the house, so Mom and Dad can go cruising.
I think though, that it is healthier and an eventual fact of life.

I do concur with the idea that the average working class person has just about cashed in everything possible, and must now learn to live more frugally, although many will go down this road kicking and screaming.

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

You guys are making me feel guilty for pushing my 21 yr old Son out of the house, so Mom and Dad can go cruising.
I think though, that it is healthier and an eventual fact of life.

I do concur with the idea that the average working class person has just about cashed in everything possible, and must now learn to live more frugally, although many will go down this road kicking and screaming.

No, you did the right thing. I happen to disagree with all the feel good politically correct parenting your thirty something kids type posts.

Nothing wrong with instilling some economic kick in the backside economics... just like the animal kingdom.

[barnakiel]

Our "kids" are fine to have their own iPhones at 12, car keys and sex at around 16, and guns at 18.

Meanwhile, at 21 (37 / whatever) we are "pushing them out of the nest"?

C'mon. We are inconsistent in our attitudes.

A kid equipped with an iPhone and contraceptives should leave the nest NOW and let their parents have a normal life.

Look at India, look at Africa. A 15 years old is an adult person. Ready to work, love and kill.

I think the only exception could be talented young who are undertaking serious scientific studies. These should be funded by some sort of crow funding. We need someone to design future iPhones and future Bavarias.

b.