Over and out

[rpoint16]

Originally Posted by CaptTom

I get a chuckle out of it.

Better still, hearing old-time CB lingo on a marine VHF channel.

"You got yer ears on?" "10-4 good buddy."

😎 Ahhh... The good ole’ days.

[parkstone bay]

One time, a pal and I were talking on our Club private channel at 0800 on a winter Sunday morning, prior to laying a racing course. Yes , we were CB-ing it a bit - well a lot - though both of us are fully qualified VHF operators, but it was a very quiet time of day - "10- 4 Good Buddy", " Rodger Dodger", "Over and Out." Our Club Secretary was listening in at his breakfast table: then we heard from him : "Club boats in the bay, using CB language: please use correct VHF procedure in future! OUT". We did feel a little guilty - a bit like being caught with your hand in the cookie jar!

[RobWilkinson]

As an old time radio operator we were taught to say ‘over’ at the completion of a message just ‘out’ at the completion of a whole conversation. Less is more so the ‘over’ in ‘over and out’ is redundant.

[kapnd]

“Over and out” is commonly used and understood in most areas around the US.
If someone happens to translate this to f—k you, it likely indicates some deep dark personal anxiety and/or fear of sex.
Our language is in a constant state of change, maybe f—k you means something else nowadays? Maybe it’s time to look that up in the Urban Dictionary.

[hellosailor]

What's wrong with redundancy?

You're bothered by the grammar [sic] in a bloody f*ing marketing email, more so than by the marketing noise itself?

Does it really matter how many angels are dancing on a pinhead, if the pinhead has passed out drunk on the floor and the angels are having a good time of it?

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Willie11b

Wilco is absolutely correct.

And yes, I am another pedantic.

Out

Actually your are being pedantic as you are a pedant.

Originally Posted by Suijin

I use “over” and “over and out” and “Roger” out of ingrained habit at this point.

It isn't good enough for the USCG. As noted over and over (ha! *grin*) in this thread "over and out" is simply not correct.



Over = "I'm done speaking and listening for your reply"
Out = "I'm done with this conversation"
Over and Out = "I'm done speaking and you can talk but I won't listen"


Offensive? Not to me. Will I make judgments about your training, retention, and what I can expect of you in other areas? Darn tootin'.

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

Please allow me to politely disagree. What " over and out" means is that the user is returning the frequency to the other guy's control. There is no "fetc." involved, nor intended. It is the same as QRT, in ham lingo, which means quit transmission.

See above. Add that QRT means securing station - not just stopping talking, stopping listening, changing frequencies, but shutting down. Not everyone uses it as defined but that is what it means.

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

I also use "going clear" or "clearing the frequency".

"Clear" is a commonly accepted synonym for "out" although not completely proper. I believe it has it's roots in ham VHF and UHF repeaters and migrated to public safety.

Originally Posted by DnA9413

This was accurate for the US Army as of when I retired in 2010. I have no idea if it applies to COLREGS, USCG or Ham radio or any other country.

For non-vets, I've removed a lot of the other jargon you'd really say over the radio before you begin an operation.

You - Black 6 (Infantry Company Commander)
Me - White 1 (2nd Platoon Leader)

Me - "Black 6 this is White 1, over"
You - "White 1 this is Black 6, over"
Me - "Black 6 this is White 1, {at the} LD (line of departure), over"
You - "White 1 this is Black 6, roger. When you reach objective A, move to objective C instead of Objective B as planned, over"
Me - Black 6 this is White 1, wilco, over"
You - White 1 this is Black 6, roger, out"

Yep, and raises the issue of why "roger wilco" is incorrect. Since "wilco" means you will comply it presupposes that you received accurately, which is all that "roger" means. You don't need to say both.

Originally Posted by Paul Elliott

OK, I get upset when I hear the USCG radio operators reciting a long notice to mariners or Sécurité message, and read the "BREAK" but don't pause and take their finger off the transmit button.

Agreed. I write to the CO of Coast Guard Sector Baltimore every time they get a new batch of operators. It gets better for a while.


"BREAK" is intended to allow emergency traffic to interject during lengthy transmissions. Some of the confusion earlier in this thread has roots in the foundation of most prowords: CW prosigns. BT sent as a single character (dahdidididah) is a paragraph break. BK was both a break for interjection or the equivalent of over - you were supposed to be able to tell from context. Full break-in keying made the first meaning less important. You never know if the other guy is running full break-in or semi or even T/R.

Originally Posted by hpeer

What annoys me more is when they invent new words for the alphabet “Apple, Bannana, Cucumber,”

Which represents more ignorance. Really smart people including linguists worked together to come up with the phonetic alphabet so it could be both spoken and understood by people with a variety of native languages. It's not hard to get it right. Five letters a day and you'll have it in a week.


You just can't make this stuff up.


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[cyan]

Originally Posted by cyan

...The whole phonetic alphabet works pretty well to solve this too. Well, except for Golf and Mike. Those are just dumb, IMO.

Originally Posted by Auspicious

Really smart people including linguists worked together to come up with the phonetic alphabet so it could be both spoken and understood by people with a variety of native languages.

"smart people"

[sailing_jack]

any just how many remember
we got Kojacs with Kodacs out here

[StuM]

Originally Posted by hellosailor

What's wrong with redundancy?

You're bothered by the grammar [sic] in a bloody f*ing marketing email, more so than by the marketing noise itself?

[sic] : "used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original,"


What are you quoting and what is odd or erroneous about the use of the word "grammar" in that quote?

[fieldmedik]

Copy, that, cringing, Out.

[cyan]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

Actually your are being pedantic as you are a pedant.

Missed it by THAT much.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

Actually your are being pedantic as you are a pedant.

Muphry's Law strikes again

[Pierreinsa]

Roger Wilco Wait Out

[Capn Jimbo]

Indeed... go sailing, stop wasting electrons... over and out...

[friz]

8 pages, 120 posts. Forgive me if it was said before but Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over.