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Originally Posted by Willie11b
Wilco is absolutely correct.
And yes, I am another pedantic.
Out
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Actually your are being pedantic as you are a pedant.
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Originally Posted by Suijin
I use “over” and “over and out” and “Roger” out of ingrained habit at this point.
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It isn't good enough for the USCG. As noted over and over (ha! *grin*) in this thread "over and out" is simply not correct.
Over = "I'm done speaking and listening for your reply"
Out = "I'm done with this conversation"
Over and Out = "I'm done speaking and you can talk but I won't listen"
Offensive? Not to me. Will I make judgments about your
training, retention, and what I can expect of you in other areas? Darn tootin'.
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Originally Posted by JPA Cate
Please allow me to politely disagree. What " over and out" means is that the user is returning the frequency to the other guy's control. There is no "fetc." involved, nor intended. It is the same as QRT, in ham lingo, which means quit transmission.
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See above. Add that QRT means securing station - not just stopping talking, stopping listening, changing frequencies, but shutting down. Not everyone uses it as defined but that is what it means.
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Originally Posted by JPA Cate
I also use "going clear" or "clearing the frequency".
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"Clear" is a commonly accepted synonym for "out" although not completely proper. I believe it has it's roots in ham VHF and UHF repeaters and migrated to public
safety.
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Originally Posted by DnA9413
This was accurate for the US Army as of when I retired in 2010. I have no idea if it applies to COLREGS, USCG or Ham radio or any other country.
For non-vets, I've removed a lot of the other jargon you'd really say over the radio before you begin an operation.
You - Black 6 (Infantry Company Commander)
Me - White 1 (2nd Platoon Leader)
Me - "Black 6 this is White 1, over"
You - "White 1 this is Black 6, over"
Me - "Black 6 this is White 1, {at the} LD (line of departure), over"
You - "White 1 this is Black 6, roger. When you reach objective A, move to objective C instead of Objective B as planned, over"
Me - Black 6 this is White 1, wilco, over"
You - White 1 this is Black 6, roger, out"
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Yep, and raises the issue of why "roger wilco" is incorrect. Since "wilco" means you will comply it presupposes that you received accurately, which is all that "roger" means. You don't need to say both.
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Originally Posted by Paul Elliott
OK, I get upset when I hear the USCG radio operators reciting a long notice to mariners or Sécurité message, and read the "BREAK" but don't pause and take their finger off the transmit button.
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Agreed. I write to the CO of Coast Guard Sector
Baltimore every time they get a new batch of operators. It gets better for a while.
"BREAK" is intended to allow
emergency traffic to interject during lengthy transmissions. Some of the confusion earlier in this thread has roots in the foundation of most prowords: CW prosigns. BT sent as a
single character (dahdidididah) is a paragraph break. BK was both a break for interjection or the equivalent of over - you were supposed to be able to tell from context. Full break-in keying made the first meaning less important. You never know if the other guy is running full break-in or semi or even T/R.
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Originally Posted by hpeer
What annoys me more is when they invent new words for the alphabet “Apple, Bannana, Cucumber,”
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Which represents more ignorance. Really smart people including linguists worked together to come up with the phonetic alphabet so it could be both spoken and understood by people with a variety of native languages. It's not hard to get it right. Five letters a day and you'll have it in a week.
You just can't make this stuff up.
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