I Told Everyone to Avoid Mexico. Here we go...

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Total Complete 100% FALSE. There is NO restriciton that you can not leave your boat in Mexico and make a trip out of the country. Hundreds of cruisers do it every season.

Thank you.

MexOnline.com - Taking Your Boat To Mexico - Official Government Information

I remain amazed that simple internet searches aren't used more often before folks post "information"...

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

I just observe that not a shred of evidence is given by either side.

Until I see evidence that you have stopped beating your wife, I won't believe you either. If you don't want to believe people who have been be Mexico, are in Mexico, or are doing business daily in Mexico, then I don't know what to tell you. The TIP allows you to leave your boat in Mexico while you travel back to the States or to an insane asylum, which could be needed after reading some of the threads about Mexico.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

Thank you.

MexOnline.com - Taking Your Boat To Mexico - Official Government Information

I remain amazed that simple internet searches aren't used more often before folks post "information"...

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Until I see evidence that you have stopped beating your wife, I won't believe you either. If you don't want to believe people who have been be Mexico, are in Mexico, or are doing business daily in Mexico, then I don't know what to tell you. The TIP allows you to leave your boat in Mexico while you travel back to the States or to an insane asylum, which could be needed after reading some of the threads about Mexico.

3rd Day, I proppose you first read the document listed above and then remind us of how these laws are not written down anywhere.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

3rd Day, I proppose you first read the document listed above and then remind us of how these laws are not written down anywhere.

Who ever said they were not written down...not me.
Maybe the sarcasm was missed? I was responding to those saying they wouldn’t believe it you couldn't leave your boat in Mexico (ahem...s/v Jedi) because no “solid evidence” was presented...so maybe you took my comment wrong.


I have a copy with my TIP with the Hologram sticker on the window where it belongs.

[capt-couillon]

Originally Posted by zeehag

we are VISITORS in a nation based on a napoleonic law standard.
usa is not that way.
life here is different and folks do business with RESPECT not force.
RESPECT is IN PERSON dressed appropriately and IN SPANISH.
those who disagree need cruise elsewhere and keep a lot lower profile.
it is only respectful to do business in a nation not your own by remaining within the nations customs and culture.
learn the language of the nation you visit..all business and legal activities are done in that country´s national language.

Now that the storm has abated, I have to second ZeeHag's above comment.

While we have (temporarily) returned to the US, 30 years of cruising the Caribbean, Central America, and the Western Pacific has more than once made us embarrassed to be flying the Stars and Stripes or handing over a US passport. The term "ugly american" is not without basis in a lot of situations we have observed. Interaction in a "foreign" culture can be tricky, and many North Americans have as much tact as a 12 pound hammer. Entitled and protected is the general North American attitude in many situations. When dealing with a culture that has not much in the way of material assets, pride ranks really high on their list.

Not carrying local currency? Most people will gladly take US dollars, but if you hand a vendor a twenty for a twenty peso purchase, now you have embarrassed him because he does not have the wherewithal to make change. (Carry singles)

You track down the local aduanero to check in. Arrive at his non air conditioned office where he is wearing a uniform with buttoned collar, tie and hard shoes. You on the other hand are wearing flops, cutoffs and a tee-shirt. Then you expect him to interact with you in English. And you are surprised he seems to have a little attitude? (Wear your best clothes, and some closed toe shoes. Your Spanish, or Tagalog or whatever can be terrible but they will respect you for trying.)

And so on and so on.

Dorthy.... you ain't in Kansas anymore. If you are not willing to compromise, why should they? If you don't like it, stay home and quit embarrassing the rest of us.

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Visit Iraq, Pakistan, India, Tibet, Bangladesh, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Timor,,, I won't even start on S America and Africa... in fact +60% of the worlds countries.. then see who's behind the corruption and exploitation...
Wow.. I don't believe it... its big Western Corporations...
By the way.. all of the above are awesomely beautiful countries with lovely people.. once you cut through the morass of officialdom..

Wow, who knew? Corruption in Iran is due to "big Western Corporations." I know they kidnapped the Lindberg baby, but I had no idea......

[kent williams]

i have had two boats in Loreto mexico for years and have no problems with any authorities. we do our paperwork and there is nothing but co-operation from the Mexican authorities.
for those that willingly try to bypass the regulations they will get what they deserve - difficulties brought on by themselves. all boaters know the regulations before leaving the U.S. or Canada - some just choose to not follow their rules and laws. Get over it!

[robert sailor]

Americans are our best friends but I've often heard them described as "the worlds greatest hosts and the worst guests"

[sww914]

Originally Posted by kent williams

i have had two boats in Loreto mexico for years and have no problems with any authorities. we do our paperwork and there is nothing but co-operation from the Mexican authorities.
for those that willingly try to bypass the regulations they will get what they deserve - difficulties brought on by themselves. all boaters know the regulations before leaving the U.S. or Canada - some just choose to not follow their rules and laws. Get over it!

Obviously you've read nothing but one headline.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by boatman61
Visit Iraq, Pakistan, India, Tibet, Bangladesh, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Timor,,, I won't even start on S America and Africa... in fact +60% of the worlds countries.. then see who's behind the corruption and exploitation...
Wow.. I don't believe it... its big Western Corporations...
By the way.. all of the above are awesomely beautiful countries with lovely people.. once you cut through the morass of officialdom..

Originally Posted by Delfin

Wow, who knew? Corruption in Iran is due to "big Western Corporations." I know they kidnapped the Lindberg baby, but I had no idea......

A classic case of US 'Hooverism'... see what you want to see and make your own mis-interpretations...

[GordMay]

Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, kent williams.

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Originally Posted by boatman61
Visit Iraq, Pakistan, India, Tibet, Bangladesh, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Timor,,, I won't even start on S America and Africa... in fact +60% of the worlds countries.. then see who's behind the corruption and exploitation...
Wow.. I don't believe it... its big Western Corporations...
By the way.. all of the above are awesomely beautiful countries with lovely people.. once you cut through the morass of officialdom..


A classic case of US 'Hooverism'... see what you want to see and make your own mis-interpretations...

Actually a classic case of a typo. Anyone who believes that Iraq's corruption is due to Western Corporations has a rather fantastical view of reality. The whole meme that all corruption in places like Africa or Burma is due to nasty western corporations is tedious nonsense, but generally sells well to the permanently aggrieved.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Delfin

Actually a classic case of a typo. Anyone who believes that Iraq's corruption is due to Western Corporations has a rather fantastical view of reality. The whole meme that all corruption in places like Africa or Burma is due to nasty western corporations is tedious nonsense, but generally sells well to the permanently aggrieved.

Yeah... okay.. whatever..

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Delfin

Actually a classic case of a typo. Anyone who believes that Iraq's corruption is due to Western Corporations has a rather fantastical view of reality.

Delfin has a point. Iraq's problems are due in large part to a western country or two, not western corporations.

[SV THIRD DAY]

So we drift from the situation in Mexico to the problems in Iraq being blamed on Canada...I tell you folks...the credibility and usefullness of CF sure gets called into question with this type of thread drift.