Greek Tax coming?

[chuckr]

Just saw this

https://www.theca.org.uk/news/greek_tax_update_nov_2017

So if I read this correctly if you are 12m or under you pay about 3eu per day but if you are over 12m you pay 8eu per day

We are 40' so 12.1m - we have already sailed most of Greece thankfully - We will not be going back period.

Is Greece trying to kill what business they have started to develop - If Turkey can get it's act together they can get all the businsess back that they lost to Greece over the past couple of years.

[Kenomac]

I'm not going to let a 360 euro tax over a three month period (120 euros per month) keep us from cruising Greece. If it's a problem for some, maybe they need to re-evaluate their cruising/live style/finance choices.

That's less than the cost of one beer in a cafe in America per day. Maybe we should be looking at the high cost of American booze taxes instead, which make cruising in the US much higher than Greece.

Cruising Greece or Croatia is a bargain compared to America even with the cruising tax.

[daletournier]

In the Seychelles you pay 3.45 euro/day, I just accept it, then again I'm only one of two cruising boats here!

[Anders]

Wait and see what happens, they been talking about boat taxes for years and nothing has happened. Think it was even in the Greek budget one year but still no tax.

[ErikFinn]

I'm not a lawyer but I can imagine a tax like that would be an infringement of the freedom of movement of EU citixens within the EU.
Then again, all Greece ever did in the EU was to suck all the money they possibly could and get away with it.

[Palarran]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

I'm not going to let a 360 euro tax over a three month period (120 euros per month) keep us from cruising Greece. If it's a problem for some, maybe they need to re-evaluate their cruising/live style/finance choices.

That's less than the cost of one beer in a cafe in America per day. Maybe we should be looking at the high cost of American booze taxes instead, which make cruising in the US much higher than Greece.

Cruising Greece or Croatia is a bargain compared to America even with the cruising tax.

I could not agree with you more Ken. Every time this tax issue comes up there's a bunch of squawking from cruisers who threaten to leave. After 5 seasons, I have but not because of the tax, it was just time. Greece is so inexpensive to cruise compared to anywhere I've been, to pay 360 euro for the privilege to be there is an absolute bargain. When I was there I always wished they did increase the tax so the freeloaders would leave so there was more room at the village keys.

And, as an FYI, my first year in Greece was taxed at 1000 euro per year for a foreign flagged boat. So really they are just going back to what they used to charge.

[Attikos]

Where is Odysseus when you need him?

[chuckr]

Originally Posted by Palarran

I could not agree with you more Ken. Every time this tax issue comes up there's a bunch of squawking from cruisers who threaten to leave. After 5 seasons, I have but not because of the tax, it was just time. Greece is so inexpensive to cruise compared to anywhere I've been, to pay 360 euro for the privilege to be there is an absolute bargain. When I was there I always wished they did increase the tax so the freeloaders would leave so there was more room at the village keys.

And, as an FYI, my first year in Greece was taxed at 1000 euro per year for a foreign flagged boat. So really they are just going back to what they used to charge.

Not sure when you last cruised there but we just finished 3 months there and IT IS NOT INEXPENSIVE compared to where we have been - the 24%vat on everything is a killer - glad we are in Turkey where we can live reasonably

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by chuckr

Just saw this

https://www.theca.org.uk/news/greek_tax_update_nov_2017

So if I read this correctly if you are 12m or under you pay about 3eu per day but if you are over 12m you pay 8eu per day

We are 40' so 12.1m - we have already sailed most of Greece thankfully - We will not be going back period.

Is Greece trying to kill what business they have started to develop - If Turkey can get it's act together they can get all the businsess back that they lost to Greece over the past couple of years.

Kind of a confusing article. It refers to costs per day and then uses a chart that shows it to be a cost per month. Is a 12m boat charged 3euros per day or 3euros per month per meter?

[South Bound]

Originally Posted by Palarran

When I was there I always wished they did increase the tax so the freeloaders would leave so there was more room at the village keys.

Yeah, keep increasing the taxes all over the place, and after a while all you will meet are your own good acquintances - with the freeloaders and other insignificant folks gone.

We will be cruising on a small budget and that kind of tax would prevent us from going, period. But at least we wouldn't be obstructing anyone's view of the town key. We'll have to take comfort in that.

[Zai]

IMO if there is going to be a tax it should be per person and not by the size of your boat.
Quite a lot of difference between a charter boat with ten people on it and a couple cruising in retirement.

[Kenomac]

Then maybe, just maybe... the couple cruising in retirement or early retiree on a small budget should save up some more money before setting out or continue working along the way.

Like we do... Instead of complaining.

[Anders]

Last time the boat tax was proposed the idea was that boats less than 12 meters would pay for a year on arrival or launching while bigger boats could pay per month.

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Then maybe, just maybe... the couple cruising in retirement or early retiree on a small budget should save up some more money before setting out or continue working along the way.

Like we do... Instead of complaining.

That sounds.... just like you are complaining.......

[Palarran]

Originally Posted by chuckr

Not sure when you last cruised there but we just finished 3 months there and IT IS NOT INEXPENSIVE compared to where we have been - the 24%vat on everything is a killer - glad we are in Turkey where we can live reasonably

This year. And I have to totally disagree with you Chuck. You can stay at a village quay for free half the time and for around 20 euro the other half. Many of the quays now have power, which is extra, like 5 euro. A full lunch can be from 3 to 8 euro and dinner from 8 to 12. That is about 50% less than where we went in Malta (150 euro per night) Licata 100 euro, and on and on all the way to the Canaries.

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Then maybe, just maybe... the couple cruising in retirement or early retiree on a small budget should save up some more money before setting out or continue working along the way.

Like we do... Instead of complaining.

It's hard to believe Ken, but I totally agree with you again. I'm back home now - working. But next week I can leave for another 6 weeks :-)

I will never understand the complaint about this tax. While I'm no longer in Greece, I hope they implement it and good riddance to those who don't value what they have there.