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[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Privately-owned US hospitals may turn away patients, in a non-emergency, but public hospitals cannot refuse care.
US public and private hospitals, alike, are prohibited, by law, from denying patient care in an emergency. The Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act (EMTLA), passed by Congress in 1986, explicitly forbids the denial (or delay) of care to indigent or uninsured patients, based on a lack of ability to pay. But, once the emergency has been resolved, the hospital is under no obligation to provide further treatment.
EMTALA covers all hospitals that:
- have emergency departments, and
- accept Medicare payments from the federal government.
Since most hospitals meet both of these requirements, EMTALA covers almost every hospital in the country.
Despite the EMLTA, private (for profit) hospitals have been known to (rarely) refuse care, and/or dump indigent patients.
However, hospitals are not shy about collecting from uninsured emergency patients. Their efforts can involve the hospital’s internal billing department, collection agencies, and even lawsuits. The collection process can be unpleasant: wages may be garnished and liens may be instituted on property.

Well said,
What some people seem to be missing is the big difference between health care and emergency treatment.

Now... I just had a look at the cost of travel insurance on the Amex Australian site... same as every other insurance co just now they offer no covid cover.
Comprehensive 30 days NZ and Germany ... $A390
Same coverage USA.... $A750

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Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

.... the west may have good flu vaccination rates, but we sucked at controlling COVID. Well, duh.
... but, freedoms!

I don't know why I was compelled to post that but it is pretty clear from my perspective that controlling us (through COVID) is going exactly as planned.
We could talk about fascist dictatorships, or class warfare. There is a new anchor thread. Chotu's windows? A cruiserforum betting app? Hepa filters in airplanes (about time)? 5G (what happened to T-DAN?. I hope he's ok) or....freedoms? Let's do that one. What freedoms do we have? Are they an illusion to some extent? Is someone trying to take them away? Are we being tricked into giving them away? Is there anything that we can or should do about it? Canada, I would like to say thanks for taking care of our draft dodgers. Jimmy Carter, I would like to say thanks for pardoning the draft dodgers. We could beat some dead horses. We have to fight this boredom! Please! Somebody say something! I have a sore back. I got an MRI. Now am waiting five weeks to talk to someone about my MRI report (I am currently in the US)

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Stop letting truth get in the way of others delusion.

I wouldn't call renewed research and development in debtor prisons to be delusional. It's the invisible hand of capitalism refreshing old ideas and serving heretofore untapped markets.

The cost of being impatient, not waiting for stuff that deserves/needs to wait, not knowing the difference between urgent and non-urgent, the cost of frivolous complaints, lawsuits, etc etc:

When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

Growing Concerns Over Medical Debt Leading to Jail Time

From Hospital To Jail: Debtors Face Growing Arrest Threat

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Originally Posted by GordMay

.......However, hospitals are not shy about collecting from uninsured emergency patients. Their efforts can involve the hospital’s internal billing department, collection agencies, and even lawsuits. The collection process can be unpleasant: wages may be garnished and liens may be instituted on property.....

This is a good topic. Did you know that uninsured cash paying patients often are billed over twice the amount as the insurance pays to settle the debt (at US hospitals?)
WHERE IS THE LOVE IN THAT!?

[TrentePieds]

Since Jason Flare is citing the Fraser Institute:

The Fraser Institute is a wondrous institution. Not particularly Canadian, but be that as it may. The founder, Michael Walker, an Ontarian, was an acolyte of Milton Friedman - which, of course, caused a number of Canadians to raise an eyebrow even back then - but a goodly number of the early members/fellows of FI were political refugees from the United States. We did then, in the mid 1970s, as we have always done since the insurgency of the late 18th century, take in huge numbers of them with very few questions asked. I knew quite a few of them at the time. One or two of them I taught to sail. Others were already seriously at sea and wound up at the Fraser Institute ;-)

Walker's "co-founder" of the FI - the éminence grise of the FI - was Patrick Boyle who had served in the USArmy Air Corps during Hitler's war. He became CEO (or maybe it was CFO) of the "forestry giant" McMillan Bloedel that laid waste to so much of BC's old growth forest. In keeping with the fundamental doctrines of the FI - not to mention the Monroe Doctrine - "MacBlo" was sold off to Weyerhauser, IIRC in the 1990s.

Yet other refugees wound up as journalists. Andrew Nikiforuk being one. When I read their stuff, I am struck - as a "New Canadian" meself - by an apparently ineluctable fact: None of us can escape the influence of the ethos, the culture and the history of the places where we spent our early years. Some of us may try. Others are like the little baby owl who didn't give a hoot :-)

Still, all things considered we Canadians aren't doing so badly. We have, after all, had three hunnert years and more of practice in evading and resisting the worst of the cultural diffusion :-)

TP

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Originally Posted by TrentePieds

..... éminence grise.....ineluctable.....

TP

I am expanding my vocabulary

[TrentePieds]

Ms.Google is your friend :-)!

Cheers

TP

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by Singularity

I wouldn't call renewed research and development in debtor prisons to be delusional. It's the invisible hand of capitalism refreshing old ideas and serving heretofore untapped markets.

I think you misunderstood
THIS is the delusion I was referring to

Originally Posted by SalingSue

Also all Americans have care, if you have a major medical issue a ER can not turn you away regardless of ability to pay, it’s literally placarded in every ER

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by SalingSue

How much does a bag of over cooked milk cost?

How much per gal of gas?

Global spending power etc

Also all Americans have care, if you have a major medical issue a ER can not turn you away regardless of ability to pay, it’s literally placarded in every ER





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Where did you get this completely misleading characterization? A US hospital Emergency Room must treat the emergency and stabilize the patient.
So show up with an early symptom of a possible cancer - no care in the ER. Show up with some mild cardiac arrhythmia - no long term care.
The majority of health care is not emergency medicine and using the ER for other than truly emergencies is one of the least cost effective method of delivering health care - this is true for a free market health system as well as public health system. So why promote it as a good thing?

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Did you read the actual report?

The longest wait times are on less critical things, like joint replacements. Pro-tip: you don't go to bed perfectly fine on Thursday night, and wake up Friday morning needing a hip replacement. These things come on over a year or more.

Of course, since good little Canadians see their doctor at least twice a year, the doctors can see this coming. So if it looks like your hip is going to need replacement down the road, you get that referral to the specialist now, and if they confirm the diagnosis, you're now on their radar and wait time is minimized.

I didn’t read it.

I just posted it.

I think I’m channeling other posters here.

Edit to add: Is that all it said?

[TrentePieds]

Quote: "How much does a bag of over cooked milk cost"

Huh??? I spose you mean "pasteurized"? Ah, the glory of having lived only in the "civilized" world. I assume you have no notion of the manifold, very tricky diseases that can be the consequence of consuming un-pasteurized milk, or, indeed, of how easily milk is contaminated with bacteria/bacilli of sundry kinds.

But not to worry. Milk comes from the display case in the supermarket, n'est-ce pas? Got there from some factory or other, didn't it?

TP

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Somebody say something! I have a sore back. I got an MRI. Now am waiting five weeks to talk to someone about my MRI report (I am currently in the US)

So, we all have wait times, it seems.

Seriously - sorry to hear about the back thing. For some unexplained reason, I have never had any serious back issues. I hear it's miserable. Get better soon.

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Thanks LE, that means a lot. You are in Toronto? Did you see this?https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...58#post3283858

[UFO]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Is America a Fascist country?https://www.quora.com/Is-America-a-Fascist-country

We have a habit of overthrowing democratically elected governments and installing fascist dictators in their place.

Why don't you like my previous post? It is agreeing with everything that you have been saying.

I do value my so-called rights though. But we are not THE LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE, In fact the US has, by far, the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Do you have any idea the death and misery that our (US) regime has taken on the world?
U.S. Regime Has Killed 20-30 Million People Since World War IIhttps://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-re...war-ii/5633111

Ahh That does not count to the guys here, they are only worried about their compatriots - Casualties from their Governments actions they absolve themselves from, like the predicted millions of deaths from starvation around the world due to the lockdowns and the economic damage it is doing to the West who are cutting back foreign aid and investment to the poorest countries in the world - But out of sight out of mind or in this case monkey be told Monkey do.


The West in a lot of cases are seen as enemies of the world - I spent some time in the Middle East and met a lot of displaced Iraqi's there - All of whom were heartbroken about the damage that has been done to their country which is now as good as a war zone in places. They used to have free healthcare, free education up to university level and low unemployment levels - Now its every man for himself. The funny thing is i saw hundreds of I Love Saddam stickers on cars all over the place, so to many he was not the demon that Western Governments and Media made him out to be - He was just used as a means to an end for the USA and allies in a corporate war.

[SalingSue]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Well said,
What some people seem to be missing is the big difference between health care and emergency treatment.

Now... I just had a look at the cost of travel insurance on the Amex Australian site... same as every other insurance co just now they offer no covid cover.
Comprehensive 30 days NZ and Germany ... $A390
Same coverage USA.... $A750

That’s a great deal, based on the different level of care in the US.

Originally Posted by TrentePieds

Quote: "How much does a bag of over cooked milk cost"

Huh??? I spose you mean "pasteurized"? Ah, the glory of having lived only in the "civilized" world. I assume you have no notion of the manifold, very tricky diseases that can be the consequence of consuming un-pasteurized milk, or, indeed, of how easily milk is contaminated with bacteria/bacilli of sundry kinds.

But not to worry. Milk comes from the display case in the supermarket, n'est-ce pas? Got there from some factory or other, didn't it?

TP

Yeah, I’m just not down with having the government turn my milk into something more like water, I’m a big adult and can make those choices for myself.

Originally Posted by Simi 60

I think you misunderstood
THIS is the delusion I was referring to

Yes, I was imagining that won’t be turned away sign I have seen in the tons of ERs I’ve been in.

I also guess I never had anything to do with top care for folks who obviously didn’t have a pot to piss in.

Originally Posted by Singularity

I wouldn't call renewed research and development in debtor prisons to be delusional. It's the invisible hand of capitalism refreshing old ideas and serving heretofore untapped markets.

The cost of being impatient, not waiting for stuff that deserves/needs to wait, not knowing the difference between urgent and non-urgent, the cost of frivolous complaints, lawsuits, etc etc:

When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

Growing Concerns Over Medical Debt Leading to Jail Time

From Hospital To Jail: Debtors Face Growing Arrest Threat

Lol

Do you have any idea of what exactly you have to do to get to that point?

The people who get jail time on that case deserve it.

The only people I have seen get lawyers on their case have been the winners who did smart moves like that the insurance check, cash it, buy stuff, and tell the providers to F’ off.

And yes, screw those people, they should get jail time.