corona virus alerts - Latest cruising Information for vessels/locations/rules

[Discovery 15797]

Originally Posted by Woodland Hills

What good are suggestions and guidelines? That’s just talk not action. If it’s not mandatory with stiff fines and penalties including jail it’s just pretend. The real truth is that with the exception of a few states and cities there is no action being taken and that’s why we see cases continue to climb exponentially. Dr. Fauci says we will have only 100k deaths, IF we practice social distancing, but we aren’t are we? So you need to look at the high end estimates, not the low end. And that’s 200k to 1.1m dead.

The federal government is suggesting guidelines for individual states to enforce rather than a blanket order across the country. IMHO, it is up to each state to determine the appropriate course of action. I agree there should be stiff penalties. In Maryland a man was arrested for hosting (a 2nd) party of more than 10 people. (I would not complain if everyone who attended the party was sequestered for a 14 day quarantine period.) In Florida, I think it is unconscionable that DeSantis has not closed all beaches.

Dr. Fauci estimated between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths yesterday. He also said, “I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection when it’s such a moving target, that you could so easily be wrong.”

"He said preparing for 1 million to 2 million Americans to die from the coronavirus is "almost certainly off the chart," adding: "Now it's not impossible, but very, very unlikely."

However, Fauci cautioned people not to put too much emphasis on predictions, noting that "it's such a moving target that you could so easily be wrong and mislead people." "

Fauci also stated, “A model is as good as the assumptions you put into the model, and very often, many of these assumptions are based on a complexity of issues that aren’t necessarily the same … from one country to another.” And, also from one state to another.

[Montanan]

New York City can use a bit of Comfort right now.

[boom23]

This is excellent information that everyone should know. It's worth watching it to the end.

https://vimeo.com/399733860

[Sand crab]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

Today 3/30/2020 at 9:43 ET.
143055 cases in the US with 2513 deaths.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

Same day 3/30/2020 at 3:23 PM.

153,246 cases in the US and 2828 deaths.
10,000 more cases and 300 more deaths.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by Singularity

I assumed it'd be self-evident that the anti-bacterial properties of azithromycin has a positive effect on knocking down bacterial co-infection and wanted to point out that there's more than meets the eye here.

I mentioned the anti-inflammatory properties for those who are curious to read-deeper. There's a line somewhere between knocking down the inflammatory storm associated with respiratory collapse, and knocking down the immune system capacity develop an adequte antibody response, etc. We want the former and not the latter while the +/- bacterial coinfection dynamic is complicated unto itself.

So it's not just an "anything ought to be tried" thing, moreover a small sample size may not detect positive results...especially a <1k/size without knowing if people had disease or not. Just being pedantic for anyone wanting to keep closer score.

I suspect the favorable response could be in reducing Cytokine release syndrome (CRS) or cytokine storm syndrome (CSS) is a form of systemic inflammatory response syndrome that can be triggered by a variety of factors such as infections and certain drugs. It occurs when large numbers of white blood cells are activated and release inflammatory cytokines, which in turn activate yet more white blood cells. CRS is also an adverse effect of some monoclonal antibody drugs, as well as adoptive T-cell therapies. Severe cases have been called cytokine storms.

When cytokine storm occurs the COVID-19 patients can fail rapidly, within 2 to 3 hours.

[zboss]

Originally Posted by Discovery 15797

The federal government is suggesting guidelines for individual states to enforce rather than a blanket order across the country.

It's ridiculous that we have 50 different states making up laws 50 different ways. Thats extremely inefficient. Imagine if all the players on your teams were making up their own rules for the game? Better that we do away with all the state government rules during a pandemic and work off a single federal playbook.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by zboss

It's ridiculous that we have 50 different states making up laws 50 different ways. Thats extremely inefficient. Imagine if all the players on your teams were making up their own rules for the game? Better that we do away with all the state government rules during a pandemic and work off a single federal playbook.

Hmm, now which federal playbook might that be? And who should be writing the playbook and calling out the plays. Legislative branch just implemented several major responsive laws and appropriations.

Indeed it has always been an issue and debate in the United States of America, which as our Constitution indicates the agreements purpose was "to form a more perfect union", notedly not perfect at its ratification and not perfect still. Our Constitution being ratified to replace The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union between the original 13 States [which preceding arrangement was created in 1777, ratified in 1781 and thence replaced in 1789].
The basic debate being split foundationally between either the USA are; or the USA is. Now grown to fully 50 States, 50 distinct jurisdictions and limited transfers of powers from the States to the Federal government, the remainder of power being retained by the States and the People.

In the United States, the two major layers of government are at the state and national levels. This system, where more than one layer of government has jurisdiction over the same territory, is called federalism. Although it seems natural to US citizens that government is divided into multiple layers, in fact, there are only 15 federal republics in the world.

Exclusive and concurrent powers

One reason for the ongoing negotiation over the balance of power between states and the federal government is their exclusive and concurrent powers. Exclusive powers are those powers reserved to the federal government or the states. Concurrent powers are powers shared by the federal government and the states.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

“The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified.” “The amendment states but a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered. There is nothing in the history of its adoption to suggest that it was more than declaratory of the relationship between the national and state governments as it had been established by the Constitution before the amendment or that its purpose was other than to allay fears that the new national government might seek to exercise powers not granted, and that the states might not be able to exercise fully their reserved powers.”

[smbdyiam2]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Hmm, now which federal playbook might that be? And who should be writing the playbook and calling out the plays. Legislative branch just implemented several major responsive laws and appropriations.

Indeed it has always been an issue and debate in the United States of America, which as our Constitution indicates the agreements purpose was "to form a more perfect union", notedly not perfect at its ratification and not perfect still. Our Constitution being ratified to replace The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union between the original 13 States [which preceding arrangement was created in 1777, ratified in 1781 and thence replaced in 1789].
The basic debate being split foundationally between either the USA are; or the USA is. Now grown to fully 50 States, 50 distinct jurisdictions and limited transfers of powers from the States to the Federal government, the remainder of power being retained by the States and the People.

In the United States, the two major layers of government are at the state and national levels. This system, where more than one layer of government has jurisdiction over the same territory, is called federalism. Although it seems natural to US citizens that government is divided into multiple layers, in fact, there are only 15 federal republics in the world.

Exclusive and concurrent powers

One reason for the ongoing negotiation over the balance of power between states and the federal government is their exclusive and concurrent powers. Exclusive powers are those powers reserved to the federal government or the states. Concurrent powers are powers shared by the federal government and the states.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

“The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified.” “The amendment states but a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered. There is nothing in the history of its adoption to suggest that it was more than declaratory of the relationship between the national and state governments as it had been established by the Constitution before the amendment or that its purpose was other than to allay fears that the new national government might seek to exercise powers not granted, and that the states might not be able to exercise fully their reserved powers.”

mama always said don't put all your eggs in one basket.

makes sense now to. Like if you don't trust the handle on that one basket.

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by boom23

This is excellent information that everyone should know. It's worth watching it to the end.

https://vimeo.com/399733860

Great to see that from someone on the front lines.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by smbdyiam2

mama always said don't put all your eggs in one basket.

makes sense now to. Like if you don't trust the handle on that one basket.

I might be more than a tad biased, but I have to agree with President Abraham Lincoln when he stated: "My favorite State has not yet been invented. It will be called Montana, and it will be perfect." - May 26, 1864, President Lincoln upon signing an act making Montana a territory of the United States.

So far I will go with as being close to Perfect, and steer clear from merely striving towards "a more perfect Union."

[rbk]

Originally Posted by Montanan

I suspect the favorable response could be in reducing Cytokine release syndrome (CRS) or cytokine storm syndrome (CSS) is a form of systemic inflammatory response syndrome that can be triggered by a variety of factors such as infections and certain drugs. It occurs when large numbers of white blood cells are activated and release inflammatory cytokines, which in turn activate yet more white blood cells. CRS is also an adverse effect of some monoclonal antibody drugs, as well as adoptive T-cell therapies. Severe cases have been called cytokine storms.

When cytokine storm occurs the COVID-19 patients can fail rapidly, within 2 to 3 hours.

This one of a few reasons why HCQ is being touted. It is a well know immune suppressor and could reduce the cytokines storms associated with covid 19 along with blocking the transmission of rna from visit to host cell.

[Montanan]

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis says he is going to sign a ‘Safer At Home’ order to enforce isolation efforts for the Southeast part of the state amid COVID-19 concerns.

DeSantis made the announcement during a joint news conference Monday with the mayors of Miami-Dade, Broward, Monroe, and Palm Beach to promote that ‘Safer at Home’ message.


The Safer at Home message is simple. Stay home and avoid contact with other people.

That order is set to be in effect through mid-May.

“This codifies a set of rules regarding ‘Safer at Home’ in Southeast Florida,” he said. “It gets all four counties operating on the same sheet of music.”

The governor said 60% of all COVID-19 cases in Florida are in southeast Florida.

“This is the time to do the right thing. Listen to all your local officials. We do this until the middle of May, and then we’ll see where we’re at,” DeSantis said. “I think a lot of the stuff that has been done has been helpful. I think this will continue to be helpful. And, hopefully, once we get this thing under control, then we can go back and start enjoying life the way we used to.”

Sen. Jose Javier Rodriguez, a Miami Democrat who is among officials pushing for DeSantis to impose a statewide stay-at-home order, welcomed the “needed uniformity” for Southeast Florida.

“However, no corner of our state is immune, and a piecemeal, patchwork approach will not cut it,” Rodriguez said in a prepared statement. “Because we remain so far behind on testing, we cannot know how far behind we also are in trying to catch up with the virus as it spreads. Counties like Lee, for example, have medical professionals urging for a safer-at-home order, reminding us why a statewide order is the best approach.”

DeSantis also said he planned to sign an executive order allowing recently retired law enforcement officers and healthcare professionals to immediately return to the state’s workforce.

“We need to have folks that are willing to return to service,” DeSantis said.

Florida law currently prohibits state workers returning to work for six months after their retirement date.

DeSantis mentioned the state will continue screening travelers at two checkpoints on I-95 at the Georgia border and I-10 at the Alabama border as it tries to require travelers from New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Louisiana to self-isolate upon arriving in the Sunshine State. The New York City area and the New Orleans area have been deluged with coronavirus cases.

At the checkpoints, motorists from the targeted states are required to complete forms that include contact information and trip details. They are given cards on what to do if they exhibit the fever, cough, or shortness-of-breath symptoms attributed to COVID-19 while in isolation.

Due to international travel into South Florida, DeSantis suggested that the virus could have been spreading in the area during this year’s Super Bowl, which was played Feb. 2 at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens, site of Monday’s news conference.

[JPA Cate]

Originally Posted by boom23

This is excellent information that everyone should know. It's worth watching it to the end.

https://vimeo.com/399733860

While much of the video's information was repetitive for me, I have to agree with Don. It stresses becoming a "hand nazi", really working to train yourself to quit touching your face, for which wearing a scarf or mask in public helps remind you to not touch your nose or mouth; and the use of hand sanitizer after touching something someone else may have touched; plus, cleaning something before you touch it. The respiratory specialist characterized covid 19 as a "wimp", because sanitizers kill it on contact.

He also stressed the importance of only going to hospital for shortness of breath, not fever or cough by itself. For us here in Oz, there is a hotline, and I'm pretty sure the way can be paved for you, don't just go, let them know you're coming, and wear a mask when you go.

If you do not know how to handle covid 19 in your home, there are guidelines also presented in the video.

Ann

[Montanan]

Florida's Stay Safe At Home declaration for the four southeast counties of Florida [Miami-Dade, Broward, Monroe, and Palm Beach] includes the closure of all parks, beaches, marinas and recreational facilities. This order is in effect until the middle of May.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by GordMay

...........
We need to stay put.

............

Originally Posted by Montanan

..........

....... Stay home and avoid contact with other people.

........

Worth repeating...

The virus does not move by itself.

People move it from place to place. The people transmit it to other people.

Don't be that person.
EDIT - you may have no idea if you are passing it around or not - you maybe the asymptotic person handing the virus around to all and sundry.



Just like the plague centuries ago, the fleas on the rats carried the disease and the rats followed the people around. No one at the time knew it was the rats.