Yacht Zatara Arrvies in Fiji

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by contrail

Well, it is pretty clear that Zatara absolutely did not follow the procedures that Keith and the officials detail in the video. Some folks always try to skate by, and it often works; this is a good case, but listening to Keith talk this through is high hypocricy.

Several other points re the publishing of the vid that included the conversation between Winora and the patrol boat.
Note that Winora had arrived at the reef when no patrol boat was present...

For starters... the video is edited.... it does not show the start of the conversation...so we do not have the whole story.
Second... not only was it remarkably bad form to post that on Youtube it was also illegal... see the ITU Regulations... Vol 1, 2016, page 256... secrecy....

'Administrative Provisions:
17.1 In the application of the appropriate provisions of the Constitution and the Convention, administrations bind themselves to take the necessary measures to prohibit and prevent:
 17.2 a) the unauthorized interception of radiocommunications not intended for the general use of the public;
17.3 b) the divulgence of the contents, simple disclosure of the existence, publication or any use whatever, without authorization of information of any nature whatever obtained by the interception of the radiocommunications mentioned in No. 17.2

18.4 § 2 The holder of a licence is required to preserve the secrecy of telecommunications, as provided in the relevant provisions of the Constitution and the Convention. Moreover, the licence shall mention, specifically or by reference, that if the station includes a receiver, the interception of radiocommunication correspondence, other than that which the station is authorized to receive, is forbidden, and that in cases where such correspondence is involuntarily received, it shall not be reproduced, nor communicated to third parties, nor used for any purpose, and even its existence shall not be disclosed.'

A final note ... it would appear that Zatara was the reason for the presence of the patrol boat at the reef...

'The patrol boat Neiafu, which was called to investigate the unauthorised appearance of the American yacht Sailing Zatara in Tongan waters, warned a New Zealand registered yacht, the Windora, that it would have to leave the reef.

The Zatara left for the Minerva Reef on June 29, despite having been denied entry in March by Tonga’s Minister of Health.'

https://www.kanivatonga.nz/2020/08/p...Qxd8kJAhLVMMPU

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

For starters... the video is edited.... it does not show the start of the conversation...so we do not have the whole story.

Exactly. I've mentioned this before, they can make their account of the situation reflect what they want.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by introverted

But, they do have 2 things working against them: Texas and America. Not sure that is their problem though. Oh well.. wish I were in Fiji

It's nothing to do with being American or Texan. Believe it or not, most of us don't judge people like that.



Its their attitudes and actions, regardless of where they came from.

[E185640]

I don’t see how the details and facts matter in this discussion. We are all existing in a world that reacts to social media as the bell weather of their truth.

What Zatara fails to acknowledge is the communities we all like to, and wish to, visit see their open disregard for authority in their videos and actions. As we are all visitors, that disregard reflects on our community and potentially can limit our future access.

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

'The patrol boat Neiafu, which was called to investigate the unauthorised appearance of the American yacht Sailing Zatara (emphasis added) in Tongan waters, (snip)

Why post a totally unverified media quote because it supports your view, while completely ignoring the published statements of both Tongan AND Fijian officials?

The statement in the Kanivtonga article you quoted here has zero substantiation of its claim that the patrol boat was at Minerva because of Zatara, and is a either at best an assumption by a lazy so-called journalist, or at worst an outright fabrication.

The FACT is that the Tongan boat was already there, it's part of their regular assignment.

Quoted from Matangi Tonga:

Lt. Commander Siua ‘Ika, at HMAF Touliki Navy Base told Matangi Tonga this afternoon (July 4, 2020) that the patrol boat VOEA Neiafu was currently at Minerva Reef, and they had not sighted the yacht today.

“Our patrol boat is already there,” he said. “It is part of our primary role to defend our maritime areas.”

Minerva, named Teleki Tonga and Teleki Tokelau, is part of the HMAF regular patrol operations, and Tonga regards the reefs as part of its territory even though they are outside the official EEZ. HMAF maintains a navigational beacon there.

“It comes under our Fisheries Act as a Special Management Area,” he said.

The navy officer said that Tonga offers a safe haven for yachts at Minerva “depending on the weather” and yacht crews may collect food for themselves there.

However, they did not know that the ‘Sailing Zatara’ was intending to come to Minerva this weekend, until Matangi Tonga asked for comment.

“The vessel may stay only while the patrol boat is there, and when the patrol boat leaves, they must leave,” he said.

Now, this article was cited in the earlier thread on this topic that was closed due to all the uncivil posts.

The Tongan Naval commander clearly states that
1. Their boat was already on station there
2. They had not heard of Zatara before this media outlet asked them about it

It took me 30 seconds of searching to find this info, which Kanivtonga couldn't bother doing. They also try to create an "incident" with their description of the "tense standoff" with the NZ yacht. Their bias and disregard for ethical journalism is abundantly apparent. But that's no surprise these days, the vast majority of all so-called "news media" behaves in exactly the same fashion, by design, to make more money.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Brewgyver

Why post a totally unverified media quote because it supports your view, while completely ignoring the published statements of both Tongan AND Fijian officials?

The statement in the Kanivtonga article you quoted here has zero substantiation of its claim that the patrol boat was at Minerva because of Zatara, and is a either at best an assumption by a lazy so-called journalist, or at worst an outright fabrication.

The FACT is that the Tongan boat was already there, it's part of their regular assignment.

Quoted from Matangi Tonga:



Now, this article was cited in the earlier thread on this topic that was closed due to all the uncivil posts.

The Tongan Naval commander clearly states that
1. Their boat was already on station there
2. They had not heard of Zatara before this media outlet asked them about it

It took me 30 seconds of searching to find this info, which Kanivtonga couldn't bother doing. They also try to create an "incident" with their description of the "tense standoff" with the NZ yacht. Their bias and disregard for ethical journalism is abundantly apparent. But that's no surprise these days, the vast majority of all so-called "news media" behaves in exactly the same fashion, by design, to make more money.

So... you think Kaniva Tonga is of the same journalistic standard as the Fiji Sun? OK.

Meanwhile Windora says there was no Tongan Navy presence at Minerva when they arrived.... https://cruisingonwindora.blogspot.c...ting-news.html

[El Pinguino]

And also ... this dates from 5 weeks ago... so not revisionist

https://matangitonga.to/2020/07/04/a...-sailing-tonga

[FthrJack]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

Exactly. I've mentioned this before, they can make their account of the situation reflect what they want.

aaaaand that's exactly what the newspapers people keep quoting do.

why do people still put faith in the press? they are a total shower of lying ambulance chasers.

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

So... you think Kaniva Tonga is of the same journalistic standard as the Fiji Sun? OK.

Meanwhile Windora says there was no Tongan Navy presence at Minerva when they arrived.... https://cruisingonwindora.blogspot.c...ting-news.html

I have no prior experience with either of those media sources, but when a supposed news article makes a statement with absolutely no attribution, it's not worth the paper it's printed on. This is unfortunately an all too common occurrence "these days," at the risk of sounding ancient.

At the time of Watergate, the Washington Post held back the Woodward and Bernstein article until they had proper corroboration of the info provided by "Deep Throat." Today news media of all kinds publish what they want for their own purposes in banner headlines, and when they get caught out in the cold, they bury a retraction.

As to the Tongan Navy not being there when Windora arrived, I'm not sure what that have to do with anything? All that means is that Windora did not see or have contact with the patrol boat at that time, but we know from both the Tongan Navy and Zatara's videos that the patrol boat was there before Windora arrived.

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

And also ... this dates from 5 weeks ago... so not revisionist

https://matangitonga.to/2020/07/04/a...-sailing-tonga

OK, that explains a lot, makes it clear that you didn't read my post, which cited the SAME SOURCE to show that the Kanivtonga piece's claim was false.

Going back to the analogy of the horse (was that in this thread, or the previous one???). There's a horse or two in this thread that have been lead to water, yet died of thirst.

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by E185640

I don’t see how the details and facts matter

Really?

I agree that Social Media it a huge factor in the decline of critical thinking.

However, if you think and say that "facts don't matter" how is that any different from the attitude that many people here are accusing Keith Whitaker of displaying?

Details and facts matter.

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by Brewgyver

Details and facts matter.

That is what makes this a moot point. You will never get the details and facts about this situation.