Yacht Zatara Arrvies in Fiji

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by jstrru402

you just can't take that youre wrong:

"Ms Rasch said Zatara followed the process of their departure from NZ.

“They will send it prior to their arrival and that was already getting confirmed when they left NZ, they followed and they were already given the OK by the border agency,” she said."

im trying to think of an equivalent that you can follow...

the road is closed one door down from your house, you ask the officer who has the road closed if its ok for you to pass and go 20 feet into the closure and he allows you to do so. in your mind the world just came to an end.

If the road is closed there is probably a very good reason for it being closed at that point..... but then one could behave like this dill
https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...24-p55f4w.html

Ah, the article from the Fiji Sun...
'“They will send it prior to their arrival and that was already getting confirmed when they left NZ, they followed and they were already given the OK by the border agency,” she said."'

'Was getting confirmed' when they left where the rules clearly state

'Approval to depart for Fiji will be given once a Negative Test Certificate is submitted. Yachts must leave within 48hrs of receiving the test results [revised rule 10 July].' ie confirmation shall be received before departing for Fiji... etc etc...

Sometimes you get away with crossing police lines ...sometimes you don't...

They got in... good on 'em.... wouldn't try it with Australia...

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by jstrru402

you just can't take that youre wrong:

"Ms Rasch said Zatara followed the process of their departure from NZ.

“They will send it prior to their arrival and that was already getting confirmed when they left NZ, they followed and they were already given the OK by the border agency,” she said."

im trying to think of an equivalent that you can follow...

the road is closed one door down from your house, you ask the officer who has the road closed if its ok for you to pass and go 20 feet into the closure and he allows you to do so. in your mind the world just came to an end.

And yet we have a first hand report (and video) from the horse's mouth that the horse did NOT follow the NZ Covid orders with at anchor at GBI.

If the horse said X happened at the racecourse, it is irrelevant what the rider or the stewards say afterwards.

[RaymondR]

Interesting stuff going on here in Australia.

The State with some of the most severe lock downs and draconian penalties for transgressors has become the CV19 epicenter for the whole country with hundreds of new cases daily and it has now become the pariah with other States borders closed against it.

[NevilleCat]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

Interesting stuff going on here in Australia.

The State with some of the most severe lock downs and draconian penalties for transgressors has become the CV19 epicenter for the whole country with hundreds of new cases daily and it has now become the pariah with other States borders closed against it.

or perhaps;
the State that has become the CV19 epicenter for the country with hundreds of new cases daily has had to instigate the most severe lock downs and penalties for dickhead transgressors.
I have a feeling your point of view and mine can be summed up in the difference in outlook outlined above.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

Interesting stuff going on here in Australia.

The State with some of the most severe lock downs and draconian penalties for transgressors has become the CV19 epicenter for the whole country with hundreds of new cases daily and it has now become the pariah with other States borders closed against it.

All caused by leadership that has been found wanting.... and it brought in the severe lockdown and the draconian penalties after it became the new epicentre...

First time round it was same same the other states...

This is what happens when you don't enforce strict quarantine rules...

[BigAl.NZ]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

All caused by leadership that has been found wanting.... and it brought in the severe lockdown and the draconian penalties after it became the new epicentre...

First time round it was same same the other states...

This is what happens when you don't enforce strict quarantine rules...

I agree with Pinguino. I live in NZ and as we were going into lockdown we were told not to undertake any water based activities, and any liveaboards were told to stay at anchor where they were.

Zatara snuck out to Barrier in the hours before lockdown started, not illegal, but it really wasn't in the spirit of what authorities were asking people to do - stay put and not do anything water based.

The final straw for me not following them was when they decided at GBI to sit on the for' deck and play there guitars - inflicting whatever cover songs they decided to play on the rest of the bay. One yachtie can be heard saying f*k off - and I agree.

Really inconsiderate - says a lot about them.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

All caused by leadership that has been found wanting.... and it brought in the severe lockdown and the draconian penalties after it became the new epicentre...

First time round it was same same the other states...

This is what happens when you don't enforce strict quarantine rules...

Or you do enforce them by having your real police issuing heavy fines to granny walking her dog in the park whilst you have untrained rent-a-cops "guarding" (or partying with) high probability, international traveler, carriers in quarantine hotels

They also have the problem with old peoples homes (basically holding pens of the most vulnerable) where families were excluded but untested staff come and go and insufficient testing and disease exclusion by the staff were allowed. It's neither rocket science nor new. About seven decades ago I was placed in the quarantine ward at the local hospital so facilities and protocols were in place way back then.

That particular government was offered army troops to use instead of the untrained rent-a-cops, they declined the help. What's the difference - army troops are part of a well trained and disciplined force and probably have had germ and chemical warfare training and the uniform and high regard they are held in in Australia gives them a lot of respect and influence.

Most folks accept that in the circumstances of a health crisis precautions are required but heavily fining a dog walking granny who is practicing social distancing whilst you ignore thousands breaking all the rules on a senseless protest march is not the way to have the public respect your rules.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

Or you do enforce them by having your real police issuing heavy fines to granny walking her dog in the park whilst you have untrained rent-a-cops "guarding" (or partying with) high probability, international traveler, carriers in quarantine hotels.

They also have the problem with old peoples homes (basically holding pens of the most vulnerable) where families were excluded but untested staff come and go and insufficient testing and disease exclusion by the staff were allowed. It's neither rocket science nor new. About seven decades ago I was placed in the quarantine ward at the local hospital so facilities and protocols were in place way back then.

That particular government was offered army troops to use instead of the untrained rent-a-cops, they declined the help. What's the difference, army troops are part of a well trained and disciplined force and probably have had germ and chemical warfare training and the uniform and high regard they are held in in Australia gives them a lot of respect and influence.

'having your real police issuing heavy fines to granny walking her dog in the park' I don't think that was happening but yes couldn't agree with you more regarding the rest... maybe this conversation belongs over here... https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...72#post3193572

[Chief Brody]

Originally Posted by BigAl.NZ

The final straw for me not following them was when they decided at GBI to sit on the for' deck and play there guitars - inflicting whatever cover songs they decided to play on the rest of the bay. One yachtie can be heard saying f*k off - and I agree.

Really inconsiderate - says a lot about them.

I’ve just watched that video and what a total lack of social intelligence they displayed. Fair play to that yachtie for calling them “ignorant f*cks” and telling them to “go away”. Can you imagine it? You’re stuck somewhere, can’t escape and then a bunch of fools turn up, get out the guitar amplifiers and sit there, for god knows how long, playing what sounds like utter sh*t?

To top off, daddy Zatara explains at the end that anyone who complains is a Nazi? Terrible attitude.

I wonder if they were made to feel unwelcome in that bay hence why they left?

[El Pinguino]

Well their first fresh Youtube since arriving in Fiji is up.

And there in the voice over at 5.50 they state that they have received permission to enter Fiji prior to leaving NZ.

However in the comments they state that they only received the Covid test results after sailing from NZ.

And on the vid at 8.15 they say they don't know where they are bound.....

Ditto on their comments on PredictWind....
Zatara
'First star to the right then straight on till morning!
Tue Jun 30 2020
We have finally left NZ. Where will we go?
Who knows.
It’s nice to out on the water again'

'Moonlight in the South Pacific
Fri Jul 03 2020
Well we are on our 4th nite and it really is good to be back out adventuring. Who knows where we will end up or where we will go. '

Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we set out to deceive....

[jstrru402]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Oh what a tangled web we weave

for sure... and the only people still caught up in something that has zero effect on their life are a bunch of armchair quarterbacks. I'm guessing you get really into the Bachelorette too.

[Skynet]

De-lurking.

For those who have followed the saga of the Texans in Zatara, a new development:

Having copped backlash for breaking Covid rules in NZ while spreading conspiracy theories, and then sailing to Minerva despite being declined permission, they are now signalling their virtue in newspaper interviews and a youtube video.

https://islandsbusiness.com/past-new...lue-lanes.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrQw2oQ5QVY

-- Skynet

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Well their first fresh Youtube since arriving in Fiji is up.

And there in the voice over at 5.50 they state that they have received permission to enter Fiji prior to leaving NZ.

However in the comments they state that they only received the Covid test results after sailing from NZ.

And on the vid at 8.15 they say they don't know where they are bound.....

Ditto on their comments on PredictWind....
Zatara
'First star to the right then straight on till morning!
Tue Jun 30 2020
We have finally left NZ. Where will we go?
Who knows.
It’s nice to out on the water again'

'Moonlight in the South Pacific
Fri Jul 03 2020
Well we are on our 4th nite and it really is good to be back out adventuring. Who knows where we will end up or where we will go. '

Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we set out to deceive....

Ahhh, the magic of video post-production. Where the reality you want to project can be dispersed to your disciples. This will always show, without a shadow of doubt, that what you say is right and anyone who said otherwise was a detractor who is completely wrong and should now bow to your superiority.


Thanks for the synopsis.

[NPCampbell]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

Ahhh, the magic of video post-production. Where the reality you want to project can be dispersed to your disciples. This will always show, without a shadow of doubt, that what you say is right and anyone who said otherwise was a detractor who is completely wrong and should now bow to your superiority.


Thanks for the synopsis.

Why edit in post production when the actual officials involved support the Zatara side of the story?
Fiji Sun - Port authority statement on Zatara

Queue up the next over-the-top no-fact conspiracy theory please ...

[El Pinguino]

Watch the government man in their latest vid... doesn't look too happy....

Meanwhile it all looks a bit 'revisionist'..... this is what you should is not the same as what they did....

from their penultimate vid
'
Scott Shapiro
3 days ago
Congrats on starting your 2020 adventure. Thank you for your gratitude towards NZ, I believe you had it much better than many other cruisers I’ve watched stuck around the world. How did you guys get your COVID tests results so quickly? We have 5-14 days here in the state’s.


Sailing Zatara
3 days ago
We didn’t get the results until a few days into the passage; you’ll see that in next week’s vid.'